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Topic author: Improper Username
Subject: RIP? (Maybe not) Osama Bin Laden
Posted on: 02/05/2011 04:10:58
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Osama Bin Laden dead: http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&ncl=dsoQ_hueAwn2ofMxMagvYYGD7rtRM&topic=h

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Reply author: Sean
Replied on: 02/05/2011 04:33:39
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If true, it's a good thing. Although I don't believe it will change anything.

So I guess Bush was right when he said 10 years ago "We'll get bin Laden".


Reply author: w22dheartlivie
Replied on: 02/05/2011 04:40:32
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It's about time.

Evil depersonalized.


Reply author: bife
Replied on: 02/05/2011 05:31:39
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FWFR - my main source of world news!


Reply author: Sean
Replied on: 02/05/2011 06:52:02
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A few thoughts while I was in the shower...

a) I'm glad he's dead.
b) I'm glad Americans got him. Fair is fair.
c) I hope those on the operation keep quiet about their participation for their own safety, although I'm guessing it will remain classified.
d) What will they do with the body? Interment at Guantanamo would be appropriate.
e) Will they release photos of the body? I'm guessing they will pretty soon, i.e., before the conspiracy theories begin.
f) I like this.
g) Obama should have flown out to an aircraft carrier somewhere and made the announcement with a "Mission Accomplished" banner in the background.


Reply author: w22dheartlivie
Replied on: 02/05/2011 09:11:53
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I'm glad, too, Sean, though I don't care as much WHO got him but that he was got. I'm fairly certain Navy SEALS live by the "no discussion, no repercussion" rule. There is massive celebration in New York City at ground zero with this. There are reports on CNN that a burial at sea was done, but no confirmation of that, but really, if they don't dispose of him quickly, there is the risk of martyrdom that needs to be removed. I liked your link, but I sent this link to my 13 year old great-godson, since he's all about Chuck Norris jokes.


Reply author: ChocolateLady
Replied on: 02/05/2011 10:19:13
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While everyone is being so pleased at this news, I can't help thinking that it might have been better to take him alive and put him on trial instead of killing him. Okay, so I'm a pacifist and against the death penalty, so that's just me. But I wonder if the repercussions of this killing won't be worse than having captured him. He's a martyr now to his followers and they'll find another leader who will use this killing as a weapon to stir up more violence. Had he been put on trial, his followers might have seen what a sorry ass coward he actually was and it could have done more to diffuse many future terrorist activities.


Reply author: SixFourian
Replied on: 02/05/2011 10:46:08
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I found out on Facebook and then verified on Wikipedia, obviously. Two major institutions which didn't exist when this manhunt began.

I was absolutely astonished that he had still been alive. I'd assumed for years that he likely died anonymously in the early operations. Impressive that he could evade everyone for so long.

It's better that he's dead than on the loose, but I agree with C.L. that they should have captured him if at all possible. They really don't seem to have tried to do so at all. Apparently, Pakistan has just recently asked the C.I.A. to stop operations there because of the number of extrajudicial killings, but of course they didn't deign to get Pakistan's permission. At least Saddam Hussein went before a kangaroo court.

In particular, given the huge number of known innocents swept up, taken to Guantanamo Bay and kept for years because they might provide some 'intelligence' (by virtue of, for example, being a taxi driver in a relevant area), it's unfathomable that it wouldn't be worth trying to get some intelligence out of bin Laden.


Reply author: Sean
Replied on: 02/05/2011 10:48:45
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady

While everyone is being so pleased at this news, I can't help thinking that it might have been better to take him alive and put him on trial instead of killing him.
I admit I had the same thought. There'd be something good about him being brought down to earth in the eyes of his followers when they see him on TV in an orange jumpsuit.

The conspiracist in me is wondering if perhaps he killed himself? He died from a bullet wound to the head. I can't really see him allowing himself to be taken alive if he had the choice.


Reply author: MguyX
Replied on: 02/05/2011 17:33:36
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"Known innocents"?

1. Had this been merely an assassination, the military would have used any one of a number of precision bombing systems readily available and previously demonstrated. The use of a small team indicates a clear effort to capture.

2. While Ian gushes with admiration over one terrorist's evasiveness, and attacks the U.S with a charge of being guilty of subjugating a "huge number" of "known innocents" in the effort to combat anti-western terrorists, he has not identified any by name, nor has he proposed a number, huge or otherwise.

While he regroups in his effort to defend and extol the virtues of civil rights for terrorists, militant combatants and taxi drivers, scroll down this list of actual innocents; they died on September 11, 2001 (two of whom were the parents of a very good friend of mine):

Gordon M. Aamoth, Jr.
Edelmiro Abad
Maria Rose Abad
Andrew Anthony Abate
Vincent Abate
Laurence Christopher Abel
William F. Abrahamson
Richard Anthony Aceto
Jesus Acevedo Rescand
Heinrich Bernhard Ackermann
Paul Acquaviva
Donald LaRoy Adams
Patrick Adams
Shannon Lewis Adams
Stephen George Adams
Ignatius Udo Adanga
Christy A. Addamo
Terence E. Adderley, Jr.
Sophia Buruwad Addo
Lee Allan Adler
Daniel Thomas Afflitto
Emmanuel Akwasi Afuakwah
Alok Agarwal
Mukul Kumar Agarwala
Joseph Agnello
David Scott Agnes
Brian G. Ahearn
Jeremiah Joseph Ahern
Joanne Marie Ahladiotis
Shabbir Ahmed
Terrance Andre Aiken
Godwin Ajala
Gertrude M. Alagero
Andrew Alameno
Margaret Ann Alario
Gary M. Albero
Jon Leslie Albert
Peter Alderman
Jacquelyn Delaine Aldridge
David D. Alger
Sarah Ali-Escarcega
Ernest Alikakos
Edward L. Allegretto
Eric Allen
Joseph Ryan Allen
Richard Dennis Allen
Richard Lanard Allen
Christopher E. Allingham
Janet M. Alonso
Arturo Alva-Moreno
Anthony Alvarado
Antonio Javier Alvarez
Victoria Alvarez-Brito
Telmo E. Alvear
Cesar Amoranto Alviar
Tariq Amanullah
Angelo Amaranto
James M. Amato Joseph Amatuccio
Christopher Charles Amoroso
Kazuhiro Anai
Calixto Anaya, Jr.
Joseph Anchundia
Kermit Charles Anderson
Yvette Constance Anderson
John Andreacchio
Michael Rourke Andrews
Jean Ann Andrucki
Siew-Nya Ang
Joseph Angelini, Jr.
Joseph Angelini, Sr.
Laura Angilletta
Doreen J. Angrisani
Lorraine Antigua
Peter Paul Apollo
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Patrick Michael Aranyos
David Arce
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Louis Arena
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Michael Armstrong
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Patrick Asante
Carl Asaro
Michael Asciak
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Janice Marie Ashley
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Ezra Aviles
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Aida Rosario
Angela Rosario
Wendy Alice Rosario Wakeford
Mark Rosen
Brooke David Rosenbaum
Linda Rosenbaum
Sheryl Lynn Rosenbaum
Lloyd Daniel Rosenberg
Mark Louis Rosenberg
Andrew Ira Rosenblum
Joshua M. Rosenblum
Joshua Alan Rosenthal
Richard David Rosenthal
Daniel Rosetti
Norman S. Rossinow
Nicholas P. Rossomando
Michael Craig Rothberg
Donna Marie Rothenberg
Nicholas Rowe
Timothy Alan Roy, Sr.
Paul G. Ruback
Ronald J. Ruben
Joanne Rubino
David M. Ruddle
Bart Joseph Ruggiere
Susan A. Ruggiero
Adam Keith Ruhalter
Gilbert Ruiz
Obdulio Ruiz Diaz
Stephen P. Russell
Steven Harris Russin
Michael Thomas Russo, Sr.
Wayne Alan Russo
Edward Ryan
John Joseph Ryan, Jr.
Jonathan Stephan Ryan
Matthew Lancelot Ryan
Tatiana Ryjova
Christina Sunga Ryook
Thierry Saada
Jason Elazar Sabbag
Thomas E. Sabella
Scott Saber
Joseph Francis Sacerdote
Neeraha Sadaranghgani
Mohammad Ali Sadeque
Francis John Sadocha
Jude Safi
Brock Joel Safronoff
Edward Saiya
John Patrick Salamone
Hernando Salas
Juan G. Salas
Esmerlin Antonio Salcedo
John Salvatore Salerno, Jr.
Richard L. Salinardi, Jr.
Wayne John Saloman
Nolbert Salomon
Catherine Patricia Salter
Frank Salvaterra
Paul Richard Salvio
Samuel Robert Salvo, Jr.
Rena Sam-Dinnoo
Carlos Alberto Samaniego
James Kenneth Samuel, Jr.
Michael San Phillip
Sylvia San Pio
Hugo M. Sanay
Erick Sanchez
Jacquelyn Patrice Sanchez
Eric M. Sand
Stacey Leigh Sanders
Herman S. Sandler
James Sands, Jr.
Ayleen J. Santiago
Kirsten Santiago
Maria Theresa Santillan
Susan Gayle Santo
Christopher Santora
John A. Santore
Mario L. Santoro
Rafael Humberto Santos
Rufino Conrado Flores Santos Iii
Jorge Octavio Santos Anaya
Kalyan Sarkar
Chapelle R. Sarker
Paul F. Sarle
Deepika Kumar Sattaluri
Gregory Thomas Saucedo
Susan M. Sauer
Anthony Savas
Vladimir Savinkin
Jackie Sayegh
John Michael Sbarbaro
Robert L. Scandole, Jr.
Michelle Scarpitta
Dennis Scauso
John Albert Schardt
John G. Scharf
Frederick Claude Scheffold, Jr.
Angela Susan Scheinberg
Scott Mitchell Schertzer
Sean Schielke
Steven Francis Schlag
Jon Schlissel
Karen Helene Schmidt
Ian Schneider
Thomas G. Schoales
Frank G. Schott, Jr.
Gerard Patrick Schrang
Jeffrey H. Schreier
John T. Schroeder
Susan Lee Schuler
Edward William Schunk
Mark E. Schurmeier
Clarin Shellie Schwartz
John Burkhart Schwartz
Mark Schwartz
Adriane Victoria Scibetta
Raphael Scorca
Randolph Scott
Sheila Scott
Christopher Jay Scudder
Arthur Warren Scullin
Michael Herman Seaman
Margaret M. Seeliger
Anthony Segarra
Carlos Segarra
Jason Sekzer
Matthew Carmen Sellitto
Howard Selwyn
Larry John Senko
Arturo Angelo Sereno
Frankie Serrano
Alena Sesinova
Adele Christine Sessa
Sita Nermalla Sewnarine
Karen Lynn Seymour
Davis Sezna
Thomas Joseph Sgroi
Jayesh S. Shah
Khalid M. Shahid
Mohammed Shajahan
Gary Shamay
Earl Richard Shanahan
Neil Shastri
Kathryn Anne Shatzoff
Barbara A. Shaw
Jeffrey James Shaw
Robert John Shay, Jr.
Daniel James Shea
Joseph Patrick Shea
Linda Sheehan
Hagay Shefi
John Anthony Sherry
Atsushi Shiratori
Thomas Joseph Shubert
Mark Shulman
See Wong Shum
Allan Abraham Shwartzstein
Johanna Sigmund
Dianne T. Signer
Gregory Sikorsky
Stephen Gerard Siller
David Silver
Craig A. Silverstein
Nasima Hameed Simjee
Bruce Edward Simmons
Arthur Simon
Kenneth Alan Simon
Michael J. Simon
Paul Joseph Simon
Marianne Teresa Simone
Barry Simowitz
Jeff Lyal Simpson
Khamladai Singh
Kulwant Singh
Roshan Ramesh Singh
Thomas E. Sinton III
Peter A. Siracuse
Muriel Fay Siskopoulos
Joseph Michael Sisolak
John P. Skala
Francis Joseph Skidmore, Jr.
Toyena Skinner
Paul A. Skrzypek
Christopher Paul Slattery
Vincent Robert Slavin
Robert F. Sliwak
Paul K. Sloan
Stanley S. Smagala, Jr.
Wendy L. Small
Catherine Smith
Daniel Laurence Smith
George Eric Smith
James Gregory Smith
Jeffrey R. Smith
Joyce Patricia Smith
Karl T. Smith
Keisha Smith
Kevin Joseph Smith
Leon Smith, Jr.
Moira Ann Smith
Rosemary A. Smith
Bonnie Jeanne Smithwick
Rochelle Monique Snell
Leonard J. Snyder, Jr.
Astrid Elizabeth Sohan
Sushil S. Solanki
Ruben Solares
Naomi Leah Solomon
Daniel W. Song
Michael Charles Sorresse
Fabian Soto
Timothy Patrick Soulas
Gregory Spagnoletti
Donald F. Spampinato, Jr.
Thomas Sparacio
John Anthony Spataro
Robert W. Spear, Jr.
Maynard S. Spence, Jr.
George Edward Spencer III
Robert Andrew Spencer
Mary Rubina Sperando
Tina Spicer
Frank Spinelli
William E. Spitz
Joseph Spor, Jr.
Klaus Johannes Sprockamp
Saranya Srinuan
Fitzroy St. Rose
Michael F. Stabile
Lawrence T. Stack
Timothy M. Stackpole
Richard James Stadelberger
Eric Stahlman
Gregory Stajk
Alexandru Liviu Stan
Corina Stan
Mary Domenica Stanley
Anthony Starita
Jeffrey Stark
Derek James Statkevicus
Craig William Staub
William V. Steckman
Eric Thomas Steen
William R. Steiner
Alexander Steinman
Andrew Stergiopoulos
Andrew Stern
Martha Stevens
Michael James Stewart
Richard H. Stewart, Jr.
Sanford M. Stoller
Lonny Jay Stone
Jimmy Nevill Storey
Timothy Stout
Thomas Strada
James J. Straine, Jr.
Edward W. Straub
George J. Strauch, Jr.
Edward T. Strauss
Steven R. Strauss
Steven F. Strobert
Walwyn W. Stuart, Jr.
Benjamin Suarez
David Scott Suarez
Ramon Suarez
Yoichi Sugiyama
William Christopher Sugra
Daniel Suhr
David Marc Sullins
Christopher P. Sullivan
Patrick Sullivan
Thomas Sullivan
Hilario Soriano Sumaya, Jr.
James Joseph Suozzo
Colleen Supinski
Robert Sutcliffe
Seline Sutter
Claudia Suzette Sutton
John Francis Swaine
Kristine M. Swearson
Brian Edward Sweeney
Kenneth J. Swenson
Thomas Swift
Derek Ogilvie Sword
Kevin Thomas Szocik
Gina Sztejnberg
Norbert P. Szurkowski
Harry Taback
Joann Tabeek
Norma C. Taddei
Michael Taddonio
Keiichiro Takahashi
Keiji Takahashi
Phyllis Gail Talbot
Robert Talhami
Sean Patrick Tallon
Paul Talty
Maurita Tam
Rachel Tamares
Hector Tamayo
Michael Andrew Tamuccio
Kenichiro Tanaka
Rhondelle Cheri Tankard
Michael Anthony Tanner
Dennis Gerard Taormina, Jr.
Kenneth Joseph Tarantino
Allan Tarasiewicz
Ronald Tartaro
Darryl Anthony Taylor
Donnie Brooks Taylor
Lorisa Ceylon Taylor
Michael Morgan Taylor
Paul A. Tegtmeier
Yeshauant Tembe
Anthony Tempesta
Dorothy Pearl Temple
Stanley Temple
David Tengelin
Brian John Terrenzi
Lisa M. Terry
Shell Tester
Goumatie T. Thackurdeen
Sumati Thakur
Harshad Sham Thatte
Thomas F. Theurkauf, Jr.
Lesley Anne Thomas
Brian Thomas Thompson
Clive Thompson
Glenn Thompson
Nigel Bruce Thompson
Perry A. Thompson
Vanavah Alexei Thompson
William H. Thompson
Eric Raymond Thorpe
Nichola Angela Thorpe
Sal Edward Tieri, Jr.
John p Tierney
Mary Ellen Tiesi
William R. Tieste
Kenneth Francis Tietjen
Stephen Edward Tighe
Scott Charles Timmes
Michael E. Tinley
Jennifer M. Tino
Robert Frank Tipaldi
John James Tipping II
David Tirado
Hector Luis Tirado, Jr.
Michelle Lee Titolo
John J. Tobin
Richard Todisco
Vladimir Tomasevic
Stephen Kevin Tompsett
Thomas Tong
Doris Torres
Luis Eduardo Torres
Amy Elizabeth Toyen
Christopher Michael Traina
Daniel Patrick Trant
Abdoul Karim Traore
Glenn J. Travers
Walter Philip Travers
Felicia Y. Traylor-Bass
Lisa L. Trerotola
Karamo Trerra
Michael Angel Trinidad
Francis Joseph Trombino
Gregory James Trost
William P. Tselepis
Zhanetta Valentinovna Tsoy
Michael Tucker
Lance Richard Tumulty
Ching Ping Tung
Simon James Turner
Donald Joseph Tuzio
Robert T. Twomey
Jennifer Tzemis
John G. Ueltzhoeffer
Tyler V. Ugolyn
Michael A. Uliano
Jonathan J. Uman
Anil Shivhari Umarkar
Allen V. Upton
Diane Marie Urban
John Damien Vaccacio
Bradley Hodges Vadas
Renuta Vaidea
William Valcarcel
Felix Antonio Vale
Ivan Vale
Benito Valentin
Santos Valentin, Jr.
Carlton Francis Valvo II
Erica H. Van Acker
Kenneth W. Van Auken
Richard B. Van Hine
Daniel M. Van Laere
Edward Raymond Vanacore
Jon C. Vandevander
Barrett Vanvelzer, 4
Edward Vanvelzer
Paul Herman Vanvelzer
Frederick Thomas Varacchi
Gopalakrishnan Varadhan
David Vargas
Scott C. Vasel
Azael Ismael Vasquez
Arcangel Vazquez
Santos Vazquez
Peter Anthony Vega
Sankara S. Velamuri
Jorge Velazquez
Lawrence G. Veling
Anthony Mark Ventura
David Vera
Loretta Ann Vero
Christopher James Vialonga
Matthew Gilbert Vianna
Robert Anthony Vicario
Celeste Torres Victoria
Joanna Vidal
John T. Vigiano II
Joseph Vincent Vigiano
Frank J. Vignola, Jr.
Joseph Barry Vilardo
Sergio Villanueva
Chantal Vincelli
Melissa Vincent
Francine Ann Virgilio
Lawrence Virgilio
Joseph Gerard Visciano
Joshua S. Vitale
Maria Percoco Vola
Lynette D. Vosges
Garo H. Voskerijian
Alfred Vukosa
Gregory Kamal Bruno Wachtler
Gabriela Waisman
Courtney Wainsworth Walcott
Victor Wald
Benjamin James Walker
Glen Wall
Mitchel Scott Wallace
Peter Guyder Wallace
Robert Francis Wallace
Roy Michael Wallace
Jeanmarie Wallendorf
Matthew Blake Wallens
John Wallice, Jr.
Barbara P. Walsh
James Henry Walsh
Jeffrey P. Walz
Ching Wang
Weibin Wang
Michael Warchola
Stephen Gordon Ward
James Arthur Waring
Brian G. Warner
Derrick Washington
Charles Waters
James Thomas Waters, Jr.
Patrick J. Waters
Kenneth Thomas Watson
Michael Henry Waye
Todd Christopher Weaver
Walter Edward Weaver
Nathaniel Webb
Dinah Webster
Joanne Flora Weil
Michael T. Weinberg
Steven Weinberg
Scott Jeffrey Weingard
Steven George Weinstein
Simon Weiser
David M. Weiss
David Thomas Weiss
Vincent Michael Wells
Timothy Matthew Welty
Christian Hans Rudolf Wemmers
Ssu-Hui Wen
Oleh D. Wengerchuk
Peter M. West
Whitfield West, Jr.
Meredith Lynn Whalen
Eugene Whelan
Adam S. White
Edward James White III
James Patrick White
John Sylvester White
Kenneth Wilburn White, Jr.
Leonard Anthony White
Malissa Y. White
Wayne White
Leanne Marie Whiteside
Mark P. Whitford
Michael T. Wholey
Mary Catherine Wieman
Jeffrey David Wiener
Wilham J. Wik
Alison Marie Wildman
Glenn E. Wilkenson
John C. Willett
Brian Patrick Williams
Crossley Richard Williams, Jr.
David J. Williams
Deborah Lynn Williams
Kevin Michael Williams
Louie Anthony Williams
Louis Calvin Williams III
John P. Williamson
Donna Ann Wilson
William Wilson
David Harold Winton
Glenn J. Winuk
Thomas Francis Wise
Alan L. Wisniewski
Frank Thomas Wisniewski
David Wiswall
Sigrid Wiswe
Michael Wittenstein
Christopher W. Wodenshek
Martin P. Wohlforth
Katherine Susan Wolf
Jennifer Yen Wong
Siu Cheung Wong
Yin Ping Wong
Yuk Ping Wong
Brent James Woodall
James John Woods
Patrick J. Woods
Richard Herron Woodwell
David Terence Wooley
John Bentley Works
Martin Michael Wortley
Rodney James Wotton
William Wren
John Wayne Wright
Neil Robin Wright
Sandra Lee Wright
Jupiter Yambem
Suresh Yanamadala
Matthew David Yarnell
Myrna Yaskulka
Shakila Yasmin
Olabisi Shadie Layeni Yee
William Yemele
Edward P. York
Kevin Patrick York
Raymond R. York
Suzanne Youmans
Barrington Young
Jacqueline Young
Elkin Yuen
Joseph C. Zaccoli
Adel Agayby Zakhary
Arkady Zaltsman
Edwin J. Zambrana, Jr.
Robert Alan Zampieri
Mark Zangrilli
Ira Zaslow
Kenneth Albert Zelman
Abraham J. Zelmanowitz
Martin Morales Zempoaltecatl
Zhe Zeng
Marc Scott Zeplin
Jie Yao Justin Zhao
Ivelin Ziminski
Michael Joseph Zinzi
Charles A. Zion
Julie Lynne Zipper
Salvatore Zisa
Prokopios Paul Zois
Joseph J. Zuccala
Andrew S. Zucker
Igor Zukelman

List of Victims on American Airlines Flight 11

Anna Allison
David Lawrence Angell
Lynn Edwards Angell
Seima Aoyama
Barbara Jean Arestegui
Myra Joy Aronson
Christine Barbuto
Carolyn Beug
Kelly Ann Booms
Carol Marie Bouchard
Robin Lynne Kaplan
Neilie Anne Heffernan Casey
Jeffrey Dwayne Collman
Jeffrey W. Coombs
Tara Kathleen Creamer
Thelma Cuccinello
Patrick Currivan
Brian Paul Dale
David Dimeglio
Donald Americo Ditullio
Alberto Dominguez
Paige Marie Farley-Hackel
Alexander Milan Filipov
Carol Ann Flyzik
Paul J. Friedman
Karleton D.B. Fyfe
Peter Alan Gay
Linda M. George
Edmund Glazer
Lisa Reinhart Gordenstein
Andrew Peter Charles Curry Green
Peter Paul Hashem
Robert Jay Hayes
Edward R. Hennessy, Jr.
John A. Hofer
Cora Hidalgo Holland
John Nicholas Humber, Jr.
Waleed Joseph Iskandar
John Charles Jenkins
Charles Edward Jones
Barbara A. Keating
David P. Kovalcin
Judith Camilla Larocque
Natalie Janis Lasden
Daniel John Lee
Daniel M. Lewin
Sara Elizabeth Low
Susan A. Mackay
Karen Ann Martin
Thomas F. McGuinness, Jr.
Christopher D. Mello
Jeffrey Peter Mladenik
Carlos Alberto Montoya
Antonio Jesus Montoya Valdes
Laura Lee Morabito
Mildred Naiman
Laurie Ann Neira
Renee Lucille Newell
Kathleen Ann Nicosia
Jacqueline June Norton
Robert Grant Norton
John Ogonowski
Betty Ann Ong
Jane M. Orth
Thomas Nicholas Pecorelli
Berinthia B. Perkins
Sonia M. Puopolo
David E. Retik
Jean Destrehan Roger
Philip Martin Rosenzweig
Richard Barry Ross
Jessica Leigh Sachs
Rahma Salie
Heather Lee Smith
Dianne Bullis Snyder
Douglas Joel Stone
Xavier Suarez
Madeline Amy Sweeney
Michael Theodoridis
James Anthony Trentini
Mary Barbara Trentini
Pendyala Vamsikrishna
Mary Alice Wahlstrom
Kenneth Waldie
John Joseph Wenckus
Candace Lee Williams
Christopher Rudolph Zarba, Jr.

List of Victims on United Airlines Flight 175

Alona Abraham
Garnet Edward Bailey
Mark Lawrence Bavis
Graham Andrew Berkeley
Touri Bolourchi
Klaus Bothe
Daniel Raymond Brandhorst
David Reed Gamboa Brandhorst
John Brett Cahill
Christoffer Mikael Carstanjen
John J. Corcoran III
Dorothy Alma de Araujo
Ana Gloria Pocasangre Debarrera
Robert John Fangman
Lisa Anne Frost
Ronald Gamboa
Lynn Catherine Goodchild
Peter M. Goodrich
Douglas Alan Gowell
Francis Edward Grogan
Carl Max Hammond, Jr.
Christine Lee Hanson
Peter Burton Hanson
Susan Kim Hanson
Gerald Francis Hardacre
Eric Hartono
James Edward Hayden
Herbert Wilson Homer
Michael Robert Horrocks
Robert Adrien Jalbert
Amy N. Jarret
Ralph Kershaw
Heinrich Kimmig
Amy R. King
Brian Kinney
Kathryn L. LaBorie
Robert G. Leblanc
Maclovio Lopez, Jr.
Marianne Macfarlane
Alfred Gilles Marchand
Louis Mariani
Juliana McCourt
Ruth Magdaline McCourt
Wolfgang Peter Menzel
Shawn M. Nassaney
Marie Pappalardo
Patrick J. Quigley IV
Frederick Charles Rimmele III
James Roux
Jesus Sanchez
Victor J. Saracini
Mary Kathleen Shearer
Robert M. Shearer
Jane Louise Simpkin
Brian David Sweeney
Michael C. Tarrou
Alicia N. Titus
Timothy Ray Ward
William Michael Weems

List of Victims at the Pentagon (Not Including Flight 77)
Note: USA � United Stated Army; USN � United States Navy

SPC Craig S. Amundson, USA
YN3 Melissa Rose Barnes, USN
MSG Max J. Beilke, Retired
IT2 Kris Romeo Bishundat, USN
Carrie R. Blagburn
COL Canfield D. Boone, ARNG
Donna M. Bowen
Allen P. Boyle
ET3 Christopher L. Burford, USN
ET3 Daniel M. Caballero, USN
SFC Jose O. Calderon-Olmedo, USA
Angelene C. Carter
Sharon A. Carver
SFC John J. Chada, USA, Retired
Rosa Maria Chapa
Julian T. Cooper
LCDR Eric A. Cranford, USN
Ada M. Davis
CAPT Gerald F. DeConto, USN
LTC Jerry D. Dickerson, USA
IT1 Johnnie Doctor, Jr., USN
CAPT Robert E. Dolan, Jr., USN
CDR William H. Donovan, USN
CDR Patrick Dunn, USN
AG1 Edward T. Earhart, USN
LCDR Robert R. Elseth, USNR
SK3 Jamie L. Fallon, USN
Amelia V. Fields
Gerald P. Fisher
AG2 Matthew M. Flocco, USN
Sandra N. Foster
CAPT Lawrence D. Getzfred, USN
Cortez Ghee
Brenda C. Gibson
COL Ronald F. Golinski, USA, Retired
Diane Hale-McKinzy
Carolyn B. Halmon
Sheila M.S. Hein
ET1 Ronald J. Hemenway, USN
MAJ Wallace Cole Hogan, Jr., USA
SSG Jimmie I. Holley, USA, Retired
Angela M. Houtz
Brady Kay Howell
Peggie M. Hurt
LTC Stephen N. Hyland, Jr., USA
Lt Col Robert J. Hymel, USAF, Retired
SGM Lacey B. Ivory, USA
LTC Dennis M. Johnson, USA
Judith L. Jones
Brenda Kegler
LT Michael S. Lamana, USN
David W. Laychak
Samantha L. Lightbourn-Allen
MAJ Stephen V. Long, USA
James T. Lynch, Jr.
Terence M. Lynch
OS2 Nehamon Lyons IV, USN
Shelley A. Marshall
Teresa M. Martin
Ada L. Mason-Acker
LTC Dean E. Mattson, USA
LTG Timothy J. Maude, USA
Robert J. Maxwell
Molly L. McKenzie
Patricia E. Mickley
MAJ Ronald D. Milam, USA
Gerard P. Moran, Jr.
Odessa V. Morris
ET1 Brian A. Moss, USN
Teddington H. Moy
LCDR Patrick J. Murphy, USNR
Khang Ngoc Nguyen
DM2 Michael A. Noeth, USN
Ruben S. Ornedo
Diana B. Padro
LT Jonas M. Panik, USNR
MAJ Clifford L. Patterson, Jr., USA
LT Darin H. Pontell, USNR
Scott Powell
CAPT Jack D. Punches, USN, Retired
AW1 Joseph J. Pycior, Jr., USN
Deborah A. Ramsaur
Rhonda Sue Rasmussen
IT1 Marsha D. Ratchford, USN
Martha M. Reszke
Cecelia E. (Lawson) Richard
Edward V. Rowenhorst
Judy Rowlett
SGM Robert E. Russell, USA, Retired
CW4 William R. Ruth, ARNG
Charles E. Sabin, Sr.
Marjorie C. Salamone
COL David M. Scales, USA
CDR Robert A. Schlegel, USN
Janice M. Scott
LTC Michael L. Selves, USA, Retired
Marian H. Serva
CDR Dan F. Shanower, USN
Antionette M. Sherman
Diane M. Simmons
Cheryle D. Sincock
ITC Gregg H. Smallwood, USN
LTC Gary F. Smith, USA, Retired
Patricia J. Statz
Edna L. Stephens
SGM Larry L. Strickland, USA
LTC Kip P. Taylor, USA
Sandra C. Taylor
LTC Karl W. Teepe, USA, Retired
SGT Tamara C. Thurman, USA
LCDR Otis V. Tolbert, USN
SSG Willie Q. Troy, USA, Retired
LCDR Ronald J. Vauk, USNR
LTC Karen J. Wagner, USA
Meta L. (Fuller) Waller
SPC Chin Sun Pak Wells, USA
SSG Maudlyn A. White, USA
Sandra L. White
Ernest M. Willcher
LCDR David L. Williams, USN
MAJ Dwayne Williams, USA
RMC Marvin Roger Woods, USN, Retired
IT2 Kevin W. Yokum, USN
ITC Donald M. Young, USN
Edmond G. Young, Jr.
Lisa L. Young

List of Victims on American Airlines Flight 77

Paul W. Ambrose
Yeneneh Betru
Mary Jane Booth
Bernard C. Brown, II
CAPT Charles F. Burlingame III, USNR, Retired
Suzanne M. Calley
William E. Caswell
David M. Charlebois
Sarah M. Clark
Asia S. Cottom
James D. Debeuneure
Rodney Dickens
Eddie A. Dillard
LCDR Charles A. Droz III, USN, Retired
Barbara G. Edwards
Charles S. Falkenberg
Dana Falkenberg
Zoe Falkenberg
J. Joseph Ferguson
Darlene E. Flagg
RADM Wilson F. Flagg, USNR, Retired
1stLt Richard P. Gabriel, USMC, Retired
Ian J. Gray
Stanley R. Hall
Michele M. Heidenberger
Bryan C. Jack
Steven D. Jacoby
Ann C. Judge
Chandler R. Keller
Yvonne E. Kennedy
Norma Cruz Khan
Karen Ann Kincaid
Dong Chul Lee
Jennifer Lewis
Kenneth E. Lewis
Renee A. May
Dora Marie Menchaca
Christopher C. Newton
Barbara K. Olson
Ruben S. Ornedo
Robert Penninger
Robert R. Ploger III
Zandra F. Ploger
Lisa J. Raines
Todd H. Reuben
John P. Sammartino
George W. Simmons
Donald D. Simmons
Mari-Rae Sopper
Robert Speisman
Norma Lang Steuerle
Hilda E. Taylor
Leonard E. Taylor
Sandra D. Teague
Leslie A. Whittington
CAPT John D. Yamnicky, Sr., USN, Retired
Vicki Yancey
Shuyin Yang
Yuguag Zheng

List of Victims on United Airlines Flight 93

Christian Adams
Lorraine G. Bay
Todd Beamer
Alan Beaven
Mark K. Bingham
Deora Frances Bodley
Sandra W. Bradshaw
Marion Britton
Thomas E. Burnett Jr.
William Cashman
Georgine Rose Corrigan
Patricia Cushing
Jason Dahl
Joseph Deluca
Patrick Driscoll
Edward Porter Felt
Jane C. Folger
Colleen Fraser
Andrew Garcia
Jeremy Glick
Lauren Grandcolas
Wanda A. Green
Donald F. Greene
Linda Gronlund
Richard Guadagno
Leroy Homer, Jr.
Toshiya Kuge
CeeCee Lyles
Hilda Marcin
Waleska Martinez
Nicole Miller
Louis J. Nacke, II
Donald Arthur Peterson -- one loving father
Jean Hoadley Peterson -- one loving mother

Mark Rothenberg
Christine Snyder
John Talignani
Honor Elizabeth Wainio
Deborah Ann Jacobs Welsh
Kristin Gould White


Reply author: w22dheartlivie
Replied on: 02/05/2011 18:45:58
Message:

Words fail me.


Reply author: clay
Replied on: 02/05/2011 19:40:03
Message:

To MguyX--excellent message, and forceful demonstration. Reminded me of my visit to the Vietnam memorial in Washington, DC. The reality of the numbers comes home when you see the names.

I think lighting candles and resolving to build a world where terrorism is obsolete is a more appropriate reaction than dancing in the streets.

ChocolateLady, I too wish he'd been taken alive. I'm with MguyX in thinking that the operation was geared toward live capture if possible. I imagine they did the best they could.

I'm really worried about the next couple of months and beyond. Reprisals--new flames fanned--martyrdom affirmed--recruitment--this is no time to be crowing "Mission Accomplished." We often mistake the symptoms of Terrorism for the disease. I am grateful that President Obama is taking pains to assert that the US is not at war with Islam.


Reply author: Rovark
Replied on: 02/05/2011 21:45:46
Message:


My two pennies worth
I don't think anyone wanted him alive
If he had been taken alive, there'd have been a trial - and what a media circus that would have been, then the burden of proof that he commited or directly commisioned any act of terrorism. We know he did, but proove it in a court of law?
Precision bombing has failed to get Gaddafi on at least 3 occasions, a bullet to the head is so much more precise. The added benefit is that you can then remove the body/ tissue samples for genetic verification of the target.
Also, now we're bracing for a revenge attack, but if he were still alive in prison, how many attacks/ threatened attacks/ hostage takings would we be subjected to until he finally died of old age in prison - at which time we'd still get the revenge attack.

All in all, a good job, well done.


Reply author: Sean
Replied on: 02/05/2011 23:11:56
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by clay

--this is no time to be crowing "Mission Accomplished."

Too late.


Reply author: clay
Replied on: 02/05/2011 23:23:19
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Se�n

quote:
Originally posted by clay

--this is no time to be crowing "Mission Accomplished."

Too late.



Got to admit that's funny. Mr. Obama has had one wild ride this week.


Reply author: Sean
Replied on: 03/05/2011 00:34:31
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by clay

quote:
Originally posted by Se�n

quote:
Originally posted by clay

--this is no time to be crowing "Mission Accomplished."

Too late.



Got to admit that's funny. Mr. Obama has had one wild ride this week.

He's had a great week.

BTW, let the conspiracy theories begin. I think we'll see some photos soon-ish.


Reply author: MguyX
Replied on: 03/05/2011 03:49:56
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quote:
Originally posted by Se�n

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Originally posted by clay

--this is no time to be crowing "Mission Accomplished."

Too late.

PHOTOBOMB!


Reply author: ChocolateLady
Replied on: 03/05/2011 07:58:13
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Originally posted by wildheartlivie

Words fail me.



When that happens, I use someone else's words:

Proverbs 24:17 "Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles." And from the Talmud: "God does not rejoice with the fall of the wicked."


Reply author: MguyX
Replied on: 03/05/2011 16:08:26
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Don't forget the further words provided at Deuteronomy 19:21 - "Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot."


Reply author: Sean
Replied on: 03/05/2011 22:51:22
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quote:
Originally posted by MguyX

Don't forget the further words provided at Deuteronomy 19:21 - "Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot."

You forgot "Americaaaaaaa! FUCK YEAH!!!!1!!1!!!"


Reply author: MguyX
Replied on: 04/05/2011 00:47:11
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Oops: "Americaaaaaaa! FUCK YEAH!!!!1!!1!!!"


Reply author: w22dheartlivie
Replied on: 04/05/2011 11:25:03
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I firmly believe he is dead. bin Laden had an uncanny way of releasing photos and videotapes that served to further his path all along. When time fails to come up with a new release, then that will confirm it. Meanwhile, where is the outcry about having a wife as a bullet shield?? Talk about the concept of chattel - let's take my number 5 wife and use her as a bulletproof vest!


Reply author: w22dheartlivie
Replied on: 04/05/2011 11:28:24
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Meanwhile, I offer Anderson Cooper's thoughts on the topic: from Anderson Cooper 360. I found it eloquent and on point and totally appropriate.


Reply author: Sean
Replied on: 04/05/2011 13:30:49
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Originally posted by wildheartlivie

Meanwhile, where is the outcry about having a wife as a bullet shield?? Talk about the concept of chattel - let's take my number 5 wife and use her as a bulletproof vest!

I think that's because that's been subsequently confirmed to be fiction, along with him supposedly firing at the soldiers. He was unarmed*, and his wife rushed a soldier and she was then shot in the leg.

I'd call it an execution, although that doesn't bother me particularly - if he was pursued as a criminal then his guilt is beyond question as is the fact he's committed capital offenses in numerous jurisdictions so he's been convicted and executed; and if it was war, well fine, he was shot during combat (call that a surgical decapitation of his 'army'). I would actually have preferred him to have spent the rest of his life in prison, that would actually be a punishment unlike a quick bullet to the head. Having said that there's a lot to be said for it being all over and done with quickly. Catharsis etc...

It doesn't look like there was any serious attempt to take him alive. Whatever... There are 7 billion people on earth and he was one too many.

*That's one thing I can't get my head around. Why did he not have a gun? Surely if he wasn't planning on being taken alive then he'd have gone down firing? Or why no underground bunker or panic room? Or perhaps he was planning on being taken alive (I'm sure he'd have liked the huge global audience from a televised US courtroom), but that's not consistent with the apparent resistance by his guards. I don't geddit.


Reply author: w22dheartlivie
Replied on: 04/05/2011 14:23:12
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I tend to think it's a complacency thing. With those high walls around the house, it was fairly well secluded and perhaps he just wasn't that much on his guard since he reportedly has lived there for quite a while. In this case, familiarity didn't breed contempt, it bred carelessness. Oh, gee. What a shame.


Reply author: SixFourian
Replied on: 04/05/2011 22:05:37
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Trust MguyX to get melodramatic and conveniently select which part of my post he quoted. If he cares to re-read it, he may bother to notice that I prominently stated that it is better that he is dead than free. That doesn't mean that no other option would have been better.

There have been lots of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay that the United States has explicitly admitted were innocent while they were in custody and they were only being held because of their potential intelligence value. They included people who were minors when captured and senile old men. If MguyX can't be bothered to believe those facts then I can't be bothered to convince him. I was quite clear in my post that the main reason they should have at least tried to take him alive was because of his much greater intelligence value. If no one made any attempt to question him then in comparison there is really no point ever capturing any terrorist, let alone innocent people from a targeted region.

And shame on MguyX for listing those victims' names as a way of having a cheap dig at me. Shame on him. If I could list all the victims of the Holocaust it wouldn't for a single second mean that the Nuremberg trials should not have taken place.


Reply author: MguyX
Replied on: 05/05/2011 04:57:45
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You're a self-righteous idiot, Ian, who opens his mouth without thinking, and never with regard to whom you might offend. Everyone hates you and wants you to leave.

Unfortunately, YOU were not on the scene when bin Laden was approached, hence YOU have no fucking idea what happened there, though you spout off as if you are an authority. (But, oh how I wish you had been there, to regale Team Six with your anti-Gitmo arguments ....) While most tempered even their aversion to the death of the weasel, you seized upon boorishness, criticizing the U.S. force that was on the scene based on assumptions you imply as established fact. Unlike me, YOU were never in the military and have NO idea how to read military strategy, hence your continued adherence to the ignorant assumption that there was no effort to capture the West's most wanted murderer. Though, frankly, YOUR assessment of his intelligence value is nil, since you struggle with stringing together either logical or objective observations.

Your complete disregard for the sensibilities of the survivors, victims, their families AND TWO PEOPLE WHOM I KNEW stands, once again, as a testament to your abject tactlessness. Cheap dig? No, motherfucker: sobering reminder that feckless, inartful turds such as you need to keep your ill-informed fatuity to yourself.

Your invocation of the Holocaust is offensive; I wish I could cut off your fingers for typing it. The example runs far afield: unlike you and your salute to bin Laden, I never extolled the caginess or intelligence of Hitler, nor would I sully the memory of those slaughtered millions with complaints about the actions of Mossad or any number of righteous Nazi hunters in bringing those guilty fucks to justice, whether instant or judicial.

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Originally posted by Cracovian

If MguyX can't be bothered to believe those facts then I can't be bothered to convince him.
Coward. Again you fail to back up your assertion with reference to a credible source, announcing that the mere statement by yourself should be authority enough. You cannot �be bothered� because you cannot do it. You can't do it because you cannot prove the complete innocence or, alternately, absence of �intelligence value� of people you do not know, who came from a hostile situation you could not even accurately imagine. Minors and the elderly cannot form the intent to kill? An innocent man and a guilty man largely have one thing in common: they both profess innocence. The search for truth is a process, not a blithe assumption that �kids and over 65 eat free.� But I would wager a hefty sum that U.S. forces have not intended as a matter of course or policy to capture and detain a "known innocent."

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Originally posted by Cracovian

If I could list all the victims of the Holocaust it wouldn't for a single second mean that the Nuremberg trials should not have taken place.
Bad example; the Gitmo trials are in progress, so the U.S., by analogy, continues to exercise an adherence to the classic tradition of justice and trial by jury. However, if you could make that list, right about the time you got to around 3,000, most non-bigoted people would probably start to feel that a trial seems like a lot of fuss for a guy who boasts about how he happily perpetrated the murder of millions.

Do us a favor: next time you go out of the country to teach English, do it in Yemen, or Somalia.


Reply author: ChocolateLady
Replied on: 05/05/2011 07:33:40
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Stop it. It is over. Done with. Finished.


Reply author: Sean
Replied on: 05/05/2011 10:02:24
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This one needs to be immortalised here:-

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Even though we both speak the same language, it's amazing how there are some subtle differences between American-English and proper English:

They say "sidewalk" we say "pavement"

They say "pants" we say "trousers"

They say "buried at sea" we say "naked and chained to a metal bed frame with a car battery connected to his bollocks whilst being beaten for answers".


Reply author: BiggerBoat
Replied on: 09/05/2011 12:19:52
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Noam Chomsky gives his view


Reply author: MguyX
Replied on: 09/05/2011 16:41:51
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The Dalai Lama: on the justification of killing bin Laden


Reply author: BiggerBoat
Replied on: 09/05/2011 17:40:51
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Originally posted by MguyX

The Dalai Lama: on the justification of killing bin Laden



Interesting. I see that the title of the page is actually 'A Symbol Of Compassion, Dalai Lama Hints Bin Laden's Killing Was Justified'. I don't think you can lose the word 'hints' once you read what he actually said (see below).

It's a matter of interpretation I suppose (dangerous when you're dealing with religions, I know) but having just read his comments I took them to say that a compassionate action was what was required, even though you can't forget what he's done. To be frank, I can't see where he even hints that the actions were justified, so I think both the page title and your link title are more than a little misleading.


His Holiness then answered questions, some of which were submitted through the Internet. The first question was on His Holiness� emphasis on compassion as a basis of ethics. It asked whether in some situation ensuring justice is more important than being compassionate to the perpetrator of a crime. It referred to the news of the death of Osama Bin Laden and the celebrations of it by some, and asked where compassion fit in with this and ethics. In his response, His Holiness emphasized the need to find a distinction between the action and the actor. He said in the case of Bin Laden, his action was of course destructive and the September 11 events killed thousands of people. So his action must be brought to justice, His Holiness said. But with the actor we must have compassion and a sense of concern, he added. His Holiness said therefore the counter measure, no matter what form it takes, has to be compassionate action. His Holiness referred to the basis of the practice of forgiveness saying that it, however, did not mean that one should forget what has been done.


Reply author: MguyX
Replied on: 09/05/2011 18:02:51
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Misleading? Not in the slightest: you are completely ignoring the early portion of the article that contains the direct quote. Rather, you quote the "later" remarks provided by the Dalai Lama's staff, apparently trying to qualify the direct quote His Holiness made earlier, which the article reproduces verbatim,

    As a human being, Bin Laden may have deserved compassion and even forgiveness, the Dalai Lama said in answer to a question about the assassination of the Al Qaeda leader. But, he said, "Forgiveness doesn't mean forget what happened. ... If something is serious and it is necessary to take counter-measures, you have to take counter-measures."

Do you see it now?


Reply author: BiggerBoat
Replied on: 09/05/2011 18:30:44
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quote:
Originally posted by MguyX

Misleading? Not in the slightest: you are completely ignoring the early portion of the article that contains the direct quote. Rather, you quote the "later" remarks provided by the Dalai Lama's staff, apparently trying to qualify the direct quote His Holiness made earlier, which the article reproduces verbatim,
    As a human being, Bin Laden may have deserved compassion and even forgiveness, the Dalai Lama said in answer to a question about the assassination of the Al Qaeda leader. But, he said, "Forgiveness doesn't mean forget what happened. ... If something is serious and it is necessary to take counter-measures, you have to take counter-measures."

Do you see it now?



Yes, sorry, I clicked on the more detailed link to find the context, but it does report it slightly differently. I still think that the suggestion of what he was 'hinting' is down to interpretation. When I read that verbatim quote, I don't see an endorsement of the specific actions taken, rather that serious actions sometimes require serious counter-measures. He's deliberately vague and non-inflammatory beacuse he has to be in his position.

I'm not sure that a spiritual opinion is particularly helpful anyway (I'm sure I could find 20 bible quotes that support/reject the killing of bin Laden). I'm a pacifist, so I find any killing repugnant, but I would like to understand what actually happened and whether the killing of OBL was necessary. I find that Chomsky generally cuts to the heart of any matter without being swayed by any kind of popular opinion or politics. In this case he seems pretty damning but I'd like to hear your view.


Reply author: MguyX
Replied on: 09/05/2011 19:12:51
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Thank you for your comments, BB. I apologize for the vehemence that lingers behind my observations, as I do not want to be rude or unkind to you. Again, I apologize.

This subject has been very touchy to me because I knew two people who were killed during the September 11 attack. I don't mean to denigrate the view that "OBL" (nice touch, by the way) should have been captured alive if possible, as I would like that to have been the end result as well; but I have no anger that OBL's end came more quickly.

I understand Chomsky's viewpoint, although I disagree with portions of it. While I am no fan of the political legacy of GWB, I do not think the killing of OBL can be equated with an hypothetical killing of GBW (though the argument would be more effective if he had compared the attempt to assassinate Ghaddafi with an effort to assassinate Obama, which I think is a lot harder to "justify" and looks a lot like repetition of the ill-founded basis for invading Iraq).


Reply author: BiggerBoat
Replied on: 09/05/2011 20:38:09
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No, I completely appreciate where you're coming from dude and there's no doubt that this is an emotive subject, no matter how detached and reasoned one tries to be. My sense of unease comes from the (now inevitable) obfuscation that surrounds the reporting of all of these events. I'm sure the truth will never be known - or given credence certainly - because the machine won't allow it. My main worry is that most of the major global events of the last decade, and most probably long before, are merely a sideshow for what is actually happening, and by the time most people wake up to it, it will be too late to do anything about it.

This symbolic act was always going to divide opinion, but where it was once the final destination, it has now morphed into a mere interlude on some other, greater, unknown journey.

I'll leave you with three quotes that spring to mind:

"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets." - Voltaire

�Is it better to out-monster the monster or to be quietly devoured?� - Nietzsche

"History is a set of lies agreed upon" - Napoleon Bonaparte


Reply author: MguyX
Replied on: 09/05/2011 22:26:36
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True dat.


Reply author: Sean
Replied on: 10/05/2011 06:54:37
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Here were the options for BHO (the way I see it), and my score out of 10 for each option:-

a) Leave OBL where he was. 0
b) Give the Pakistani authorities his location and hope they weren't on his side. 3
c) Carpet bomb the compound hoping he was there and kill everyone in it - kids included - and hope he can be identified from the remains. 4
d) Send in a hit squad to pop his cork. 9
e) Send in a squad to capture him, take him to Gitmo and keep him there for ever. 0 - (that place shouldn't exist)
f) Send in a squad to capture him, take him to the USA and try him for murder, find him guilty, post photos of him in an orange jumpsuit for all to see, them imprison him for life next to Charles Manson. 10
g) Send in a squad to capture him, take him to the USA and try him for murder, find him not guilty (quite likely, we all know he's guilty but where's the evidence that will be sufficient for conviction?) then release him. 0
h) Send in a squad to capture him, take him to the USA and try him for murder, find him not guilty, then let him out the front door of the court to be lynched by the masses. 2
i) Send him to Yemen, Kenya or Tanzania and hope they are able to hold him, try him, and have him found guilty and dealt with. 3

The more I think about it the more I see that d) was the only sensible option and the one that I would have felt I had little choice but to take if it was mine to take; this is also the option I believe was actually taken. OBL being found not guilty would set the worst example possible to any budding democracies in the Middle East (or elsewhere); i.e., you might as well tell them that fair judicial systems don't work so they're better off establishing guilt with show trials or Presidential decree.


Reply author: Sean
Replied on: 10/05/2011 12:47:27
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The DNA result for Osama Bin Laden has come back as 46% coconut, 29% cocoa, 19% sugar and 6% milk solids.An expert says this is probably due to the fact that he had a bounty on his head.


Reply author: bife
Replied on: 10/05/2011 14:44:14
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quote:
Originally posted by Se�n

The DNA result for Osama Bin Laden has come back as 46% coconut, 29% cocoa, 19% sugar and 6% milk solids.An expert says this is probably due to the fact that he had a bounty on his head.



well on that note ...

I auditioned for Britain's Got Talent when it visited Newbury. But, shockingly, I was turned down.
That's right, my signature 'balancing a Mars Bar on my head for ten minutes' failed to impress Simon Cowell.
He said, "Sorry, but Osama Bin Laden's had a Bounty on his head for eight years."


Reply author: Cheese_Ed
Replied on: 10/05/2011 18:00:04
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quote:
Originally posted by bife

quote:
Originally posted by Se�n

The DNA result for Osama Bin Laden has come back as 46% coconut, 29% cocoa, 19% sugar and 6% milk solids.An expert says this is probably due to the fact that he had a bounty on his head.



well on that note ...

I auditioned for Britain's Got Talent when it visited Newbury. But, shockingly, I was turned down.
That's right, my signature 'balancing a Mars Bar on my head for ten minutes' failed to impress Simon Cowell.
He said, "Sorry, but Osama Bin Laden's had a Bounty on his head for eight years."




Explanation for us Americans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_(chocolate_bar)

(the link is wonky either way)


Reply author: clay
Replied on: 10/05/2011 19:26:16
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quote:
Originally posted by Cheese_Ed

quote:
Originally posted by bife

quote:
Originally posted by Se�n

The DNA result for Osama Bin Laden has come back as 46% coconut, 29% cocoa, 19% sugar and 6% milk solids.An expert says this is probably due to the fact that he had a bounty on his head.



well on that note ...

I auditioned for Britain's Got Talent when it visited Newbury. But, shockingly, I was turned down.
That's right, my signature 'balancing a Mars Bar on my head for ten minutes' failed to impress Simon Cowell.
He said, "Sorry, but Osama Bin Laden's had a Bounty on his head for eight years."




Explanation for us Americans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_(chocolate_bar)

(the link is wonky either way)





thanks for this, fromagiphilic friend. here in the states bounty is the quicker picker upper, main ingredient cellulose.


Reply author: MguyX
Replied on: 11/05/2011 02:00:47
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We had Bounty bars available in California when I was a teen and into my 20s (when I slowly began to lose my attraction to candy bars). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_ chocolate_bar This article also notes their (apparently) limited availability in the U.S., but I think it was more available than the author(s) know. And the limited edition Mango version was avaialable here too!


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