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| GHcool |
Posted - 10/20/2007 : 22:50:57
Coming out of the Chamber of Secrets?
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| Airbolt |
Posted - 10/29/2007 : 23:32:33
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Originally posted by G-eightch-cool
Now that I think about it, I don't recall Obi-Wan ever having any strong feelings for women. He did have strong feelings for Anakin though. Hmmmm ...
I lost the URL long ago but someone showed me a hilarious site relating to this .
Theres a popular trend in Japan for ultra romantic stories featuring gay encounters between men. The twist is that it is Japanese "Office Ladies" who go for this genre in a big way - I've seen some of the comic strips and they are very tame. Usually dreamy eyed " Mister Darcey" types hold hands by a pond while wearing frilly shirts.
Someone developed this theme with Star Wars action figures when the first new one came out. It was all done by a genuine fan of the genre as far as i could tell. Anyway , there were many shots of Obi_Wan and Qui-Jon holding hands in the sunset and ( i think ) declaring their undying love. One shot has the two of them out for a ride on a horse ( perhaps borrowed from Barbie? ) Obi Wan is sitting behind Qui Jon and has a fixed smile of ( presumably ) contentment.
Maybe they picked up on a subtext that was well hidden
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| ChocolateLady |
Posted - 10/26/2007 : 09:13:33
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Originally posted by duh fantasizes
What about Willy Wonka (wizard of candy)? Was he gay? Jack Sparrow was gay, therefore does that mean that Wonka was also gay? I think Wonka was gay.
I'll give you Wonka but I really don't think Jack Sparrow was gay. He might have been bi, however.quote:
And do I really care? Nope. But hell, I just got back from lunch with my son; I had a margarita because they were on sale, you see.
Sounds good to me! |
| Wheelz |
Posted - 10/25/2007 : 17:20:32
...And TV's Mr. Wizard, Don Herbert, was twice married, though that proves nothing.  |
| GHcool |
Posted - 10/24/2007 : 01:42:59
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Originally posted by duh fantasizes
Fine with me if the fictional Dumbledore is gay or prefers the companionship of kiwis, for that matter...I do find it absurd that Rowling would "out" Dumbledore.
I always thought that Gandolf The Gray was clearly gay, whether or not played by the great queen Ian McKellan. ("I think I've been queened," said Jimmy Fallon, after having gotten smooched by McKellan in drag as Dame Maggie Smith.) Gandolf would be the precedence for gay wizards, I suppose.
What about Merlin? As told in the Mary Stewart Arthur trilogy, Merlin was hetero but could not engage in sexual intercourse because of the disturbing side effects of his magic. He was forced to be celibate.
What about Madam Mym? Was she a lesbian? I think she was. And the Disney Merlin was clearly gay; Disney is a gay-friendly company.
What about Willy Wonka (wizard of candy)? Was he gay? Jack Sparrow was gay, therefore does that mean that Wonka was also gay? I think Wonka was gay.
And do I really care? Nope. But hell, I just got back from lunch with my son; I had a margarita because they were on sale, you see.
The Wizard of Oz seems to have been straight (at least if Wicked is to be believed). |
| Stalean |
Posted - 10/24/2007 : 00:47:40
There's not a better reason than a sale, IMHO.  |
| duh |
Posted - 10/23/2007 : 23:09:22
Fine with me if the fictional Dumbledore is gay or prefers the companionship of kiwis, for that matter...I do find it absurd that Rowling would "out" Dumbledore.
I always thought that Gandolf The Gray was clearly gay, whether or not played by the great queen Ian McKellan. ("I think I've been queened," said Jimmy Fallon, after having gotten smooched by McKellan in drag as Dame Maggie Smith.) Gandolf would be the precedence for gay wizards, I suppose.
What about Merlin? As told in the Mary Stewart Arthur trilogy, Merlin was hetero but could not engage in sexual intercourse because of the disturbing side effects of his magic. He was forced to be celibate.
What about Madam Mym? Was she a lesbian? I think she was. And the Disney Merlin was clearly gay; Disney is a gay-friendly company.
What about Willy Wonka (wizard of candy)? Was he gay? Jack Sparrow was gay, therefore does that mean that Wonka was also gay? I think Wonka was gay.
And do I really care? Nope. But hell, I just got back from lunch with my son; I had a margarita because they were on sale, you see. |
| GHcool |
Posted - 10/23/2007 : 19:21:40
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Originally posted by Wheelz
I personally don't give a rat's behind whether Dumbledore is gay or not, but I am disappointed in Rowling for making this revelation. Why? Because I believe creative works should stand "as-is", so to speak, to be interpreted by the audience through each reader's own unique point of view. That's what creates the connection between author and reader.
Its perfectly acceptable for you to reject Rowling's revelation as an interpretation of the story by a third person that you don't happen to agree with just as any other reader might have a different interpretation of the Potter books than you. If Rowling had said that Dumbledore had a sex change operation, I would have definately rejected it despite the fact that Rowling is the "world authority" on the Harry Potter diagesis because there is nothing in the book to lead me to that conclusion. |
| turrell |
Posted - 10/23/2007 : 15:42:27
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
"It shows that there's no limit to what a muggle can do, even being a wizard or witch headmaster." or "There's no limit to what a wizard or witch can do, even being a muggle headmaster."
Or: "It shows that there is no limit to the imagination of a straight British woman." |
| Wheelz |
Posted - 10/23/2007 : 15:07:04
I personally don't give a rat's behind whether Dumbledore is gay or not, but I am disappointed in Rowling for making this revelation. Why? Because I believe creative works should stand "as-is", so to speak, to be interpreted by the audience through each reader's own unique point of view. That's what creates the connection between author and reader.
Much as I didn't like the final episode of The Sopranos, for instance, I respect David Chase for refusing to explain or embellish upon it.
To say "Oh, by the way, here's something significant about one of the characters" after the series has been completed only serves to cheapen the work. |
| ChocolateLady |
Posted - 10/23/2007 : 14:15:47
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Originally posted by Beanmimo
This piece of news didn't really bother me at all but what i did find outrageous was this comment on the situation
"And a spokesman for gay rights group Stonewall added: "It's great that JK has said this. It shows that there's no limit to what gay and lesbian people can do, even being a wizard headmaster." "
What are they (Stonewall) trying to prove here????
That even a spokesman for a gay rights group can say stupid things?
(I'd prefer: "It shows that there's no limit to what a muggle can do, even being a wizard or witch headmaster." or "There's no limit to what a wizard or witch can do, even being a muggle headmaster." Either of those make much more sense!)
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| Beanmimo |
Posted - 10/23/2007 : 14:05:33
This piece of news didn't really bother me at all but what i did find outrageous was this comment on the situation
"And a spokesman for gay rights group Stonewall added: "It's great that JK has said this. It shows that there's no limit to what gay and lesbian people can do, even being a wizard headmaster." "
What are they (Stonewall) trying to prove here????
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| Stalean |
Posted - 10/23/2007 : 13:41:41
I don't think anyone cares (at least in this thread) that Dumbledore is gay, ChocolateLady. I reread this thread and, joking aside, I think we were just wondering Rowling's motives for the announcement.
I think I read or heard someplace that she hadn't been asked the question before, so someone must have asked if he is gay. Anyone else hear or read this? Anyway, if someone did ask, it was probably because of the last book. This is where I pondered the ignoratio elenchi.  |
| ChocolateLady |
Posted - 10/23/2007 : 08:57:18
No offence, but, who cares? Gay, straight - he's still Dumbledore, so what's the big deal?
I never understood why people make a big thing about this sort of stuff. Perhaps I'm naive, but if you like someone (real or fictional) what difference does it make what their tastes in partners are? Would you change your opinion about someone because they don't like the same kinds of movies or music you like? No, it takes much more than that. For instance, I used to like Mel Gibson, but now that I see he's a homophobic, anti-semitic, Holocaust denying bigot, I can't stand to see him on screen, and don't want to see any of his movies. |
| Ali |
Posted - 10/23/2007 : 07:05:06
I always assumed Obi-Wan was a big queen. His intimate knowledge of Mos Eisley's seedy nightlife was only one of many clues...
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| shoon |
Posted - 10/22/2007 : 22:10:53
When you think about it though, it makes perfect sense. She said he was gay and was smitten with Grindlewald. In the final book, she says that people were begging Dumbledore to travel to Europe to battle Grindlewald, to stop the terrible atrocities he was committing. He kept putting it off, obviously with the hope that Grindlewald would see the error of his ways. Rowling also says that he was 'disappointed'. So really, it makes sense. Only reason she just said it was someone only just asked her, I reckon.
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