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| Improper Username |
Posted - 02/05/2011 : 04:10:58
Osama Bin Laden dead: http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&ncl=dsoQ_hueAwn2ofMxMagvYYGD7rtRM&topic=h |
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| MguyX |
Posted - 11/05/2011 : 02:00:47
We had Bounty bars available in California when I was a teen and into my 20s (when I slowly began to lose my attraction to candy bars). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_ chocolate_bar This article also notes their (apparently) limited availability in the U.S., but I think it was more available than the author(s) know. And the limited edition Mango version was avaialable here too!  |
| clay |
Posted - 10/05/2011 : 19:26:16
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Originally posted by Cheese_Ed
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Originally posted by bife
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Originally posted by Se�n
The DNA result for Osama Bin Laden has come back as 46% coconut, 29% cocoa, 19% sugar and 6% milk solids.An expert says this is probably due to the fact that he had a bounty on his head.
well on that note ...
I auditioned for Britain's Got Talent when it visited Newbury. But, shockingly, I was turned down.
That's right, my signature 'balancing a Mars Bar on my head for ten minutes' failed to impress Simon Cowell.
He said, "Sorry, but Osama Bin Laden's had a Bounty on his head for eight years."
Explanation for us Americans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_(chocolate_bar)
(the link is wonky either way)
thanks for this, fromagiphilic friend. here in the states bounty is the quicker picker upper, main ingredient cellulose. |
| Cheese_Ed |
Posted - 10/05/2011 : 18:00:04
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Originally posted by bife
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Originally posted by Se�n
The DNA result for Osama Bin Laden has come back as 46% coconut, 29% cocoa, 19% sugar and 6% milk solids.An expert says this is probably due to the fact that he had a bounty on his head.
well on that note ...
I auditioned for Britain's Got Talent when it visited Newbury. But, shockingly, I was turned down.
That's right, my signature 'balancing a Mars Bar on my head for ten minutes' failed to impress Simon Cowell.
He said, "Sorry, but Osama Bin Laden's had a Bounty on his head for eight years."
Explanation for us Americans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounty_(chocolate_bar)
(the link is wonky either way)
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| bife |
Posted - 10/05/2011 : 14:44:14
quote:
Originally posted by Se�n
The DNA result for Osama Bin Laden has come back as 46% coconut, 29% cocoa, 19% sugar and 6% milk solids.An expert says this is probably due to the fact that he had a bounty on his head.
well on that note ...
I auditioned for Britain's Got Talent when it visited Newbury. But, shockingly, I was turned down.
That's right, my signature 'balancing a Mars Bar on my head for ten minutes' failed to impress Simon Cowell.
He said, "Sorry, but Osama Bin Laden's had a Bounty on his head for eight years." |
| Sean |
Posted - 10/05/2011 : 12:47:27
The DNA result for Osama Bin Laden has come back as 46% coconut, 29% cocoa, 19% sugar and 6% milk solids.An expert says this is probably due to the fact that he had a bounty on his head. |
| Sean |
Posted - 10/05/2011 : 06:54:37
Here were the options for BHO (the way I see it), and my score out of 10 for each option:-
a) Leave OBL where he was. 0
b) Give the Pakistani authorities his location and hope they weren't on his side. 3
c) Carpet bomb the compound hoping he was there and kill everyone in it - kids included - and hope he can be identified from the remains. 4
d) Send in a hit squad to pop his cork. 9
e) Send in a squad to capture him, take him to Gitmo and keep him there for ever. 0 - (that place shouldn't exist)
f) Send in a squad to capture him, take him to the USA and try him for murder, find him guilty, post photos of him in an orange jumpsuit for all to see, them imprison him for life next to Charles Manson. 10
g) Send in a squad to capture him, take him to the USA and try him for murder, find him not guilty (quite likely, we all know he's guilty but where's the evidence that will be sufficient for conviction?) then release him. 0
h) Send in a squad to capture him, take him to the USA and try him for murder, find him not guilty, then let him out the front door of the court to be lynched by the masses. 2
i) Send him to Yemen, Kenya or Tanzania and hope they are able to hold him, try him, and have him found guilty and dealt with. 3
The more I think about it the more I see that d) was the only sensible option and the one that I would have felt I had little choice but to take if it was mine to take; this is also the option I believe was actually taken. OBL being found not guilty would set the worst example possible to any budding democracies in the Middle East (or elsewhere); i.e., you might as well tell them that fair judicial systems don't work so they're better off establishing guilt with show trials or Presidential decree. |
| MguyX |
Posted - 09/05/2011 : 22:26:36
True dat. |
| BiggerBoat |
Posted - 09/05/2011 : 20:38:09
No, I completely appreciate where you're coming from dude and there's no doubt that this is an emotive subject, no matter how detached and reasoned one tries to be. My sense of unease comes from the (now inevitable) obfuscation that surrounds the reporting of all of these events. I'm sure the truth will never be known - or given credence certainly - because the machine won't allow it. My main worry is that most of the major global events of the last decade, and most probably long before, are merely a sideshow for what is actually happening, and by the time most people wake up to it, it will be too late to do anything about it.
This symbolic act was always going to divide opinion, but where it was once the final destination, it has now morphed into a mere interlude on some other, greater, unknown journey.
I'll leave you with three quotes that spring to mind:
"It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets." - Voltaire
�Is it better to out-monster the monster or to be quietly devoured?� - Nietzsche
"History is a set of lies agreed upon" - Napoleon Bonaparte
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| MguyX |
Posted - 09/05/2011 : 19:12:51
Thank you for your comments, BB. I apologize for the vehemence that lingers behind my observations, as I do not want to be rude or unkind to you. Again, I apologize.
This subject has been very touchy to me because I knew two people who were killed during the September 11 attack. I don't mean to denigrate the view that "OBL" (nice touch, by the way) should have been captured alive if possible, as I would like that to have been the end result as well; but I have no anger that OBL's end came more quickly.
I understand Chomsky's viewpoint, although I disagree with portions of it. While I am no fan of the political legacy of GWB, I do not think the killing of OBL can be equated with an hypothetical killing of GBW (though the argument would be more effective if he had compared the attempt to assassinate Ghaddafi with an effort to assassinate Obama, which I think is a lot harder to "justify" and looks a lot like repetition of the ill-founded basis for invading Iraq). |
| BiggerBoat |
Posted - 09/05/2011 : 18:30:44
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Originally posted by MguyX
Misleading? Not in the slightest: you are completely ignoring the early portion of the article that contains the direct quote. Rather, you quote the "later" remarks provided by the Dalai Lama's staff, apparently trying to qualify the direct quote His Holiness made earlier, which the article reproduces verbatim,
As a human being, Bin Laden may have deserved compassion and even forgiveness, the Dalai Lama said in answer to a question about the assassination of the Al Qaeda leader. But, he said, "Forgiveness doesn't mean forget what happened. ... If something is serious and it is necessary to take counter-measures, you have to take counter-measures."
Do you see it now?
Yes, sorry, I clicked on the more detailed link to find the context, but it does report it slightly differently. I still think that the suggestion of what he was 'hinting' is down to interpretation. When I read that verbatim quote, I don't see an endorsement of the specific actions taken, rather that serious actions sometimes require serious counter-measures. He's deliberately vague and non-inflammatory beacuse he has to be in his position.
I'm not sure that a spiritual opinion is particularly helpful anyway (I'm sure I could find 20 bible quotes that support/reject the killing of bin Laden). I'm a pacifist, so I find any killing repugnant, but I would like to understand what actually happened and whether the killing of OBL was necessary. I find that Chomsky generally cuts to the heart of any matter without being swayed by any kind of popular opinion or politics. In this case he seems pretty damning but I'd like to hear your view. |
| MguyX |
Posted - 09/05/2011 : 18:02:51
Misleading? Not in the slightest: you are completely ignoring the early portion of the article that contains the direct quote. Rather, you quote the "later" remarks provided by the Dalai Lama's staff, apparently trying to qualify the direct quote His Holiness made earlier, which the article reproduces verbatim,
As a human being, Bin Laden may have deserved compassion and even forgiveness, the Dalai Lama said in answer to a question about the assassination of the Al Qaeda leader. But, he said, "Forgiveness doesn't mean forget what happened. ... If something is serious and it is necessary to take counter-measures, you have to take counter-measures."
Do you see it now? |
| BiggerBoat |
Posted - 09/05/2011 : 17:40:51
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Originally posted by MguyX
The Dalai Lama: on the justification of killing bin Laden
Interesting. I see that the title of the page is actually 'A Symbol Of Compassion, Dalai Lama Hints Bin Laden's Killing Was Justified'. I don't think you can lose the word 'hints' once you read what he actually said (see below).
It's a matter of interpretation I suppose (dangerous when you're dealing with religions, I know) but having just read his comments I took them to say that a compassionate action was what was required, even though you can't forget what he's done. To be frank, I can't see where he even hints that the actions were justified, so I think both the page title and your link title are more than a little misleading.
His Holiness then answered questions, some of which were submitted through the Internet. The first question was on His Holiness� emphasis on compassion as a basis of ethics. It asked whether in some situation ensuring justice is more important than being compassionate to the perpetrator of a crime. It referred to the news of the death of Osama Bin Laden and the celebrations of it by some, and asked where compassion fit in with this and ethics. In his response, His Holiness emphasized the need to find a distinction between the action and the actor. He said in the case of Bin Laden, his action was of course destructive and the September 11 events killed thousands of people. So his action must be brought to justice, His Holiness said. But with the actor we must have compassion and a sense of concern, he added. His Holiness said therefore the counter measure, no matter what form it takes, has to be compassionate action. His Holiness referred to the basis of the practice of forgiveness saying that it, however, did not mean that one should forget what has been done.
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| MguyX |
Posted - 09/05/2011 : 16:41:51
The Dalai Lama: on the justification of killing bin Laden |
| BiggerBoat |
Posted - 09/05/2011 : 12:19:52
Noam Chomsky gives his view
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| Sean |
Posted - 05/05/2011 : 10:02:24
This one needs to be immortalised here:-
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Even though we both speak the same language, it's amazing how there are some subtle differences between American-English and proper English:
They say "sidewalk" we say "pavement"
They say "pants" we say "trousers"
They say "buried at sea" we say "naked and chained to a metal bed frame with a car battery connected to his bollocks whilst being beaten for answers".
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