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Gentleman Ghost 
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 Posted - 01/20/2007 : 21:08:12
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Originally posted by Montgomery
Oscar Worthy? Really? What was so great about what either actress did with those roles? I just thought they were "okay."
Then the Oscar should have gone to one of the others:-
1998 ACTRESS IN A SUPPORTING ROLE
Toni Collette -- The Sixth Sense {"Lynn Sear"}
* Angelina Jolie -- Girl, Interrupted {"Lisa Rowe"}
Catherine Keener -- Being John Malkovich {"Maxine"}
Samantha Morton -- Sweet and Lowdown {"Hattie"}
Chlo� Sevigny -- Boys Don't Cry {"Lana Tisdel"}
1998 ACTRESS IN A LEADING ROLE
Cate Blanchett -- Elizabeth {"Queen Elizabeth I"}
Fernanda Montenegro -- Central Station {"Dora"}
* Gwyneth Paltrow -- Shakespeare in Love {"Viola De Lesseps"}
Meryl Streep -- One True Thing {"Kate Gulden"}
Emily Watson -- Hilary and Jackie {"Jacqueline du Pr�"}
I can't see anyone more deserving, although some of these I haven't seen. 
I think Sean Penn overacted in Mystic River whereas Bill Murray underacted in LIT and still "did the job", I'm guessing underacting is harder.
OK, here's a controversial one, and not just because it's the wrong thread....  ... Scarlett Johansson should have got a Best Actress nomination for LIT. Every time I watch this I wonder why Sofia Coppola and Bill Murray get all the credit (that they certainly deserve) but Scarlett never rates a mention. She does a perfect job in this movie. She says everything with a facial expression. It's one of the most complete and refined and perfect acting performances I've ever seen by anyone, ever. I'd guess the fact she's a gorgeous sex-bomb probably counts against her, i.e., isn't taken seriously as she only got her foot in the door because of what she looks like, so the Academy doesn't give her performances the credit she deserves. I'm guessing she'd have to do a "totally over-the-top" role in order to be noticed, much like Brad Pitt for 12 Monkeys and Tom Cruise for Magnolia, the only times they've been nominated. Hollywood isn't in the habit of recognising understated but excellent performances by anyone, let alone from hunks and sex-bombs.
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Downtown
"Welcome back, Billy Buck"
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Posted - 01/21/2007 : 05:55:28
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w22dheartlivie 
"Kitty Lover"
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Posted - 01/21/2007 : 07:37:56
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I've commented on it in other threads, but it bears repeating. Kevin Bacon may be one of the most overlooked actors working today. He's been nominated about a dozen times for awards from various film festivals, but never once nominated for major awards like the Academy Awards. He was nominated once for a Golden Globes for The River Wild.
And yet consider the roles and films. JFK, Sleepers, Stir of Echoes (better than given credit for), Mystic River, and my two personal pet peeves: Murder in the First and The Woodsman. Murder in the First is a 1995 film, the winners of which is discussed earlier. I'll not knock Tom Hanks or Nigel Hawthorne, and would NEVER sully a nomination for Morgan Freeman, especially in Shawshank, but for the life of me, I can't see how John Travolta in Pulp Fiction or Paul Newman in Nobody's Fool was better. 2004 was also discussed, so we'll not elaborate on Sean Penn or Bill Murray. Having said that, I suppose the real reason Bacon wasn't nominated for The Woodsman was due to its more limited release and success. Why else was Jude Law chosen for Cold Mountain (just so-so to me). Is it because Hollywood can't forgive him for Footloose, or The Air Up There, or his memorable appearance in Animal House, begging for that paddling? To quote the recently maligned Shakespeare in Love.. It's a mystery. Well, at least he was nominated for an Independent Spirit Award for The Woodsman. |
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Stalean 
"Back...OMG"
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Posted - 01/21/2007 : 20:53:34
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Originally posted by wildhartlivie
I've commented on it in other threads, but it bears repeating. Kevin Bacon may be one of the most overlooked actors working today. He's been nominated about a dozen times for awards from various film festivals, but never once nominated for major awards like the Academy Awards. He was nominated once for a Golden Globes for The River Wild.
And yet consider the roles and films. JFK, Sleepers, Stir of Echoes (better than given credit for), Mystic River, and my two personal pet peeves: Murder in the First and The Woodsman. Murder in the First is a 1995 film, the winners of which is discussed earlier. I'll not knock Tom Hanks or Nigel Hawthorne, and would NEVER sully a nomination for Morgan Freeman, especially in Shawshank, but for the life of me, I can't see how John Travolta in Pulp Fiction or Paul Newman in Nobody's Fool was better. 2004 was also discussed, so we'll not elaborate on Sean Penn or Bill Murray. Having said that, I suppose the real reason Bacon wasn't nominated for The Woodsman was due to its more limited release and success. Why else was Jude Law chosen for Cold Mountain (just so-so to me). Is it because Hollywood can't forgive him for Footloose, or The Air Up There, or his memorable appearance in Animal House, begging for that paddling? To quote the recently maligned Shakespeare in Love.. It's a mystery. Well, at least he was nominated for an Independent Spirit Award for The Woodsman.
I'm with you all the way, wild. All of the actors you mentioned have had their less-than-noble roles. I think Kevin Bacon is an amazing actor. I just saw him in "Sleepers" yesterday, and he literally makes your skin crawl he does such a good job. Also, I didn't think "Footloose" was all that bad. I think "Hollow Man" is his albatross out of all his roles. |
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lemmycaution 
"Long mired in film"
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Posted - 01/22/2007 : 02:41:22
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MM0rkeleb
"Better than HBO."
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Posted - 01/22/2007 : 06:17:43
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My biggest pet peeves have to do with the nominations for animated feature film. The biggest was the year it was introduced. Now, everyone and their dog knew that 'Shrek' would win and 'Monsters Inc.' would get the second nomination, so I won't complain about those.
But for the third slot, when they could've gone with 'Final Fantasy: the Spirits Within' or 'Waking Life,' they went and nominated ...
JIMMY F***IN' NEUTRON F***IN' BOY F***IN' GENIUS?????!!!!!!
I'm also a little irritated that 'Millenium Actress' didn't get a nod a couple of years later, but comparatively that's small fry.
AS for winners who shouldn't have ... yeah, I got nothing. I usually chalk it up to a difference of opinion and move on. |
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w22dheartlivie
"Kitty Lover"
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Posted - 01/22/2007 : 12:39:30
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Originally posted by StaLean
I'm with you all the way, wild. All of the actors you mentioned have had their less-than-noble roles. I think Kevin Bacon is an amazing actor. I just saw him in "Sleepers" yesterday, and he literally makes your skin crawl he does such a good job. Also, I didn't think "Footloose" was all that bad. I think "Hollow Man" is his albatross out of all his roles.
I actually agree with you on Hollow Man, but our friend John has a small role in it, and there's this unwritten rule that we don't trash John's films. Well, except for the Deadly Swarm...
Check out The Woodsman. The topic is a bit uncomfortable, but that only serves to strengthen how great Bacon was in it. You find yourself rooting for him to succeed in conquering his unholy demons. That takes something. |
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 01/22/2007 : 13:31:11
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Originally posted by wildhartlivie
Check out The Woodsman. The topic is a bit uncomfortable, but that only serves to strengthen how great Bacon was in it. You find yourself rooting for him to succeed in conquering his unholy demons. That takes something.
I totally agree, WHL ... and Kyra ain't exactly chopped liver either! I still can't believe how brave they both were to do this -- can you just imagine what flack they must have got from their agent/s?
This year a similar film emerged to mark Damian Lewis as a major acting talent - Keane: small, indie, dangerous film. An absolutely mesmerizing central performance. And totally ignored by all the awards lists. Mind you I'd give Whittaker Best Actor this year over anyone.
I guess what I'm saying is that what makes the award lists has less to do with total objectivity than the pressures put on voters by certain studios, and -- I'm extremely sad to report - some qualified Academy members [both US and UK] whose range of viewing has been, shall we say, limited.
This is why talents in the past like Brando simply refused to attend.
It's just another marketing ploy these days. Have you noticed recent trailers/coming attractions? They play up Academy Award Winner so-and-so for all its worth. Isn't it interesting that in another thread where you all revealed what makes you pick a certain film to watch, none of you listed "awards" among your criteria.
Studios - doncha love 'em!
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duh 
"catpurrs"
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Posted - 01/22/2007 : 13:40:46
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Originally posted by StaLean
I think Kevin Bacon is an amazing actor. I just saw him in "Sleepers" yesterday, and he literally makes your skin crawl he does such a good job. Also, I didn't think "Footloose" was all that bad. I think "Hollow Man" is his albatross out of all his roles.
I think so too. My favorite of his films is "Wild Things." All through the film, we are given to believe that police detective Ray Duquette is one of the good guys. Only at the end do we learn otherwise. I also think that film was the highlight of Neve Campbell's 'career'. She needs more roles like that.
Kevin Bacon kind of reminds me of my husband -- especially his voice. Jean VanDamme (spelling?) also reminds me of my husband.
Another actor who is underappreciated is Dennis Quaid. I heard that he deserved an Oscar for his role in "Far From Heaven" but I haven't seen that one. I think his work in Savior was definitely Oscar-calibre.
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 01/22/2007 : 14:24:55
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Originally posted by duh
Another actor who is underappreciated is Dennis Quaid. I heard that he deserved an Oscar for his role in "Far From Heaven" but I haven't seen that one. I think his work in Savior was definitely Oscar-calibre.
I'm not a huge fan of Quaid but he did do a very good job in Far From Heaven. That was a film that was totally underrated - the actors, the script, the music, the cinematography, the direction, everything. However, it was up against some stiff competition with films like The Hours, The Pianist, Chicago, Lord of the Rings: Two Towers and many more very good films.
(Dennis Haysbert was HOT in that movie, too!)
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 01/22/2007 : 16:05:31
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Montgomery
"F**k!"
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Posted - 01/22/2007 : 16:35:37
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Originally posted by Se�n
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Originally posted by Montgomery
Oscar Worthy? Really? What was so great about what either actress did with those roles? I just thought they were "okay."
Then the Oscar should have gone to one of the others:-
1998 ACTRESS IN A SUPPORTING ROLE
Toni Collette -- The Sixth Sense {"Lynn Sear"}
* Angelina Jolie -- Girl, Interrupted {"Lisa Rowe"}
Catherine Keener -- Being John Malkovich {"Maxine"}
Samantha Morton -- Sweet and Lowdown {"Hattie"}
Chlo� Sevigny -- Boys Don't Cry {"Lana Tisdel"}
1998 ACTRESS IN A LEADING ROLE
Cate Blanchett -- Elizabeth {"Queen Elizabeth I"}
Fernanda Montenegro -- Central Station {"Dora"}
* Gwyneth Paltrow -- Shakespeare in Love {"Viola De Lesseps"}
Meryl Streep -- One True Thing {"Kate Gulden"}
Emily Watson -- Hilary and Jackie {"Jacqueline du Pr�"}
I can't see anyone more deserving, although some of these I haven't seen.
I think Sean Penn overacted in Mystic River whereas Bill Murray underacted in LIT and still "did the job", I'm guessing underacting is harder.
OK, here's a controversial one, and not just because it's the wrong thread.... ... Scarlett Johansson should have got a Best Actress nomination for LIT. Every time I watch this I wonder why Sofia Coppola and Bill Murray get all the credit (that they certainly deserve) but Scarlett never rates a mention. She does a perfect job in this movie. She says everything with a facial expression. It's one of the most complete and refined and perfect acting performances I've ever seen by anyone, ever. I'd guess the fact she's a gorgeous sex-bomb probably counts against her, i.e., isn't taken seriously as she only got her foot in the door because of what she looks like, so the Academy doesn't give her performances the credit she deserves. I'm guessing she'd have to do a "totally over-the-top" role in order to be noticed, much like Brad Pitt for 12 Monkeys and Tom Cruise for Magnolia, the only times they've been nominated. Hollywood isn't in the habit of recognising understated but excellent performances by anyone, let alone from hunks and sex-bombs.
I think I wanted Samantha Morton from Sweet and Lowdown. But, I would have honestly accepted any of the other actresses. I just thought Angelina's role in that was okay. Nothing to win an Oscar over. But, then again, I forgot to mention Marisa Tomei winning for My Cousin Vinny, which really was ridiculous. Mind you, I'm not saying that either is not a good actress. Just that those two roles were not particulary great. Marisa did nicer work in In The Bedroom. Not sure if Angelina will ever do something I think is Oscar Worthy. I like her. And I think she's a good actress, just not great.
The second question is easy -- Cate Blanchett for Elizabeth. She was spectacular. And it was a way better movie than Shakespeare in Love. I liked SIL okay. I thought there was more that could have been done with it. They have the works of Shakespeare to base the humor on. We could have had more inside jokes on how he got inspired for lines, etc. There were just a few in the movie. I like Gwynneth better in Emma. Not that that is Oscar Worthy either, just I thought it was a better role for her. Her role in SIL is nothing special. Cate Blanchett was robbed, if you ask me and in this particular case, you did.  I was screaming at the screen when she didn't win.
I agree wtih you on Scarlett Johansen. She did an excellent job in Lost and should have been acknowledged.
EM :) |
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lemmycaution
"Long mired in film"
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Posted - 01/22/2007 : 16:43:06
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Originally posted by Randall
How could AROUND THE WORLD IN EIGHTY DAYS or THE DEER HUNTER have been thought to be Best Picture?
Another geezer moment.
I saw all of the 1956 Best Picture nominees when they first came out.
Around the World
Friendly Persuasion
Giant
The King and I
The Ten Commandments
My 11-year -old vote would have gone to Giant.
Around the World was a lot of fun and it was truly impressive on the huge Todd-AO screen but Mike Todd's showmanship and those dozens of cameos obviously swayed the voters over more deserving films.
Another miscue: 1944-- Going My Way over Double Indemnity. |
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Montgomery
"F**k!"
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Posted - 01/22/2007 : 16:49:45
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Originally posted by wildhartlivie
I've commented on it in other threads, but it bears repeating. Kevin Bacon may be one of the most overlooked actors working today. He's been nominated about a dozen times for awards from various film festivals, but never once nominated for major awards like the Academy Awards. He was nominated once for a Golden Globes for The River Wild.
And yet consider the roles and films. JFK, Sleepers, Stir of Echoes (better than given credit for), Mystic River, and my two personal pet peeves: Murder in the First and The Woodsman. Murder in the First is a 1995 film, the winners of which is discussed earlier. I'll not knock Tom Hanks or Nigel Hawthorne, and would NEVER sully a nomination for Morgan Freeman, especially in Shawshank, but for the life of me, I can't see how John Travolta in Pulp Fiction or Paul Newman in Nobody's Fool was better. 2004 was also discussed, so we'll not elaborate on Sean Penn or Bill Murray. Having said that, I suppose the real reason Bacon wasn't nominated for The Woodsman was due to its more limited release and success. Why else was Jude Law chosen for Cold Mountain (just so-so to me). Is it because Hollywood can't forgive him for Footloose, or The Air Up There, or his memorable appearance in Animal House, begging for that paddling? To quote the recently maligned Shakespeare in Love.. It's a mystery. Well, at least he was nominated for an Independent Spirit Award for The Woodsman.
I too think Bacon was ROBBED for not getting an Oscar for Murder In The First. That he wasn't even nominated is a complete crime. He was really great in that film. I also saw The Woodsman and loved him in that. But Murder In The First was his role!!
I felt Tom Hanks overacted in Philadelphia and was disappointed that he won for that particular role.
EM :) |
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w22dheartlivie
"Kitty Lover"
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Posted - 01/22/2007 : 16:57:40
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Originally posted by Randall
How could AROUND THE WORLD IN EIGHTY DAYS or THE DEER HUNTER have been thought to be Best Picture?
I'm going to try and not sound too ignorant on this, but forgive me if I do. I think what quality one attributes to The Deer Hunter depends a lot on your generation and feelings regarding the Vietnam War. It was one of the very first post-war films that dealt directly with the effects of the war on the characters as more than just as a subplot device. To me, it was a gutwrenchingly realistic view of the effects that the horrors of that war had on its veterans, and how dehumanizing the experience was. I know or knew quite a few Vietnam vets, many of whom were just as screwed up as the ones depicted in Deer Hunter. Some of them never recovered. One committed suicide in a parking lot a few short years after coming home. Another spent the next 15 years trying to kick his drug habits. At the time, people seemed to see all this distantly and detached, putting it down to weakness. Yet both of those men were neither weak nor defective. Only ruined by what they saw. Films like The Deer Hunter and Coming Home and a handful of others began to open the door to understanding what it was like and for many, marked a turning point from lambasting the veterans for doing what was required of them and understanding what that meant.
I watched Deer Hunter on cable in about 1983, with a few friends. It so deeply tore us that we didn't talk about it for days. Then one night as we gathered for our Saturday night drafts at a pub across the Ohio line that served 3.2 beer to 18 year olds, one friend said "Now I know why Kimmy did that." I avoided it like the plague for the next 25 years. Last summer, it ran on AMC and I hesitantly watched it again. Christopher Walken still chilled me, John Savage broke my heart, De Niro was still so solid, Meryl Streep still had that georgous loving and hopeful glow, and John Cazale... well, God bless him. It was a fascinating study of how that war affected a group of friends in a small town, and rang close to home for a lot of people.
I popped over to the IMDB to read up on it before I started and a comment that one reviewer made struck me fully as how I felt about it:
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After seeing it in a very high quality theater on its initial release, I walked out thinking it was easily one of the best movies I had ever seen - and that I never wanted to see it again. But I looked at it today on cable and found that not much had changed about it, or me. I don't want to see it again...but I want you to see it.
So, for all these reasons, this is why I think it won the Academy Award.
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