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Ali 
"Those aren't pillows."
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 Posted - 06/06/2007 : 09:55:18
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What did everyone think of the Season 3 finale? Everyone who's seen it, that is.
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thefoxboy 
"Four your eyes only."
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 11:46:47
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I'll just put my hand up as someone that has never seen a minute of this show. |
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Ali
"Those aren't pillows."
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 11:48:42
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You'd like it. The first season is great with a fantastic season finale arc; the second season is OK with a few good episodes close to the end, and the third season sucked ass at the beginning but totally redeemed itself with the last 6-7 episodes.
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Sean
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 12:34:34
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Never heard of it. Bet I hate it given that I hate most TV.
The only TV I remember liking in the last few years is The Sopranos and The Simpsons. |
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Cheese_Ed 
"The Provolone Ranger"
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 12:48:21
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| Mildly disappointed except for the twist at the end... but the penultimate show was quite good, I thought. |
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Ali
"Those aren't pillows."
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 14:44:44
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I watched the season finale last night, and thought that it was probably the show's best episode since Exodus Part II, the penultimate episode of Season 1. It was suspenseful, action packed, and, at times, rather moving. The acting was great by the show�s standards, and, for the first time since the pilot, the production values, the camerawork and the direction once again cinematic. Even though it suffered from many of the show�s usual failings, the back-to-basics feel to the episode, with all the Lostaways finally together on some � probable - fool�s errand, and finally an interesting � and pertinent � parallel-plot elevated the show above the levels of most other mainstream dramas. Not just that, but it was also unsettling in a way few shows ever dare to be.
I really liked Charlie, and that had a lot to do with Dominic Monaghan�s pitch-perfect performance throughout his run. Even though it�s a shame he had to die, I think it was understandable from a story-point of view as his character arc had been complete for a while now. His final self-sacrifice was very moving: a testament to the character�s growth while on the island, as well as underlining the show�s overall theme of redemption/damnation.
In fact, that Yin-Yang relationship is more obvious than ever before as demonstrated by, for example, the recent developments in Locke and Sawyer�s respective characters. Locke�s inability to kill his father, or himself, or, in fact, Jack demonstrated that he might not be the hunter/hero that the Island seemed to have molded him into. This subtle emasculation was contrasted by Sawyer�s transformation from a joker/con artist to a murderer. Whereas he was haunted by the memories of killing the man in Sydney, he did not seem to show any remorse for strangling Anthony Cooper, as attested to by his shooting Tom even after the latter had surrendered. I have a feeling that Locke�s confrontation with Jack and Sawyer�s with Tom are linked stylistically (of course), and thematically. I think the Others wanted Locke to kill his father because they wanted to see if he would be able to kill one of his won men should it ever come to it. Obviously he failed � but Sawyer would not have.
The redemption/damnation motif also formed the basis of Jack�s story. I know that he is despised more than any other character (apart from Charlie, I suppose), but Jack is one of my favourites. It�s an old caveat of � good � comic book writers that it is far easier to write Wolverine than Cyclops. Similarly, Jack - an uneasy leader whose decisions usually produce ambivalent results - with all his genuine goodwill, heroism, altruism as well as his almost psychotic obsessiveness, sins-of-the-father issues, and, err, voice-control problems, is a much more complicated character than many others on the beach. His arc is the show�s arc � damnation or salvation. And Matthew Fox�s performance, which, admittedly, comes and goes, has been fantastic enough in the last seven or so episodes to rise to that larger challenge. So it was a combination of all these factors that made the final revelation in his flashforward that Jack was not redeemed all the more shocking.
Oh yeah � the flashforward.
I can�t say I didn�t see it coming. When we were talking about Lost on another board a few weeks back, a friend mentioned that he would like the series finale to be a slowly-revealed flasforward that would �flashback� to how the Lostaways escaped the island. I had entertained similar convention-defying possibilities before (not like that, you filthy heathens), and, albeit slightly similar to the Voyager finale, my friend�s idea was great. A few days ago, I accidentally saw an avatar on another board of LeonidasJack, and, remembering the leap-in-time approach of the Battlestar Galactica third season finale, I entertained whether a similar idea was introduced in Lost. There were also a few tell-tale signs in the episode as well. The first one was the deliberate obscuration of the date of the paper, and the identity of the person who committed suicide. Another sign was Jack�s mobile, which was a Motorola Razr, and not released until 2005 (or, maybe, 2006). Even though Jack�s mentioning his father threw me off at first, I thought it was too obvious a red herring, and that, if confronted, the producers could just write it off as Jack�s being high as a cloud at the time. Still, I was flabbergasted when Kate walked out of the shadows. It was such a bold, and imaginative move - setting up a great avenue to explore for the three seasons ahead. The fact that Jack had not been redeemed after all they went through (a line of Jack�s at which I raised an eyebrow) was an incredibly powerful way to end the show. It was like the producers� saying: �Right, so you want answers? Here�s one: Kate and Jack get off the island, but they end up estranged, and, even better, Jack is more fucked up than ever! Happy now, bitches?� In one single episode, the show managed to undo most of the effects of introducing The Others as regular characters, which led to their demystification. Unlike the end of the second season, we were left with genuine questions. Who�s in the casket (I reckon it�s Michael)? What makes Jack go nuts? If I rigorously followed the wise teachings of Rhonda Byrne and The Secret, would I ever get to bang Kate?
I was disappointed with the second season, and most of the third season. I am so glad that the sheer brilliance of the first season is back, and I cannot wait for the next three season. We�re halfway there.
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ChocolateLady 
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 14:48:04
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| Spoil away - I HATE these "reality" shows. |
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Ali
"Those aren't pillows."
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 14:55:56
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You know Lost is a drama, right? It's not like a Mark Burnett-type reality show, although that is one of the inspirations.
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turrell
"Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh "
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 15:45:16
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Even though reality shows aren't real, they usually don't involve self-healing islands, polar bears that materialize from no where, flesh evicerating black smoke, electro-magnetic pulses or races around the world (well maybe that last one).
Lost is a great drama, admittedly hard to get into at the halfway point, but if you like plot twisting dramas, get the dvds and get caught up - its really good.
Idea for a reality show - "The Dharma Initiative"   |
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TitanPa
"Here four more"
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 19:28:52
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I was confused by the Finale. I saw it weeks ago but I know at the time I was confused and still am. So how do they plan to go back???? TIme Travel? And How did they get there?????
Most of my confusion wasnt about the ending. While they were showing a bearded Jack in the hospital drunk and all. I thought that this was just one of the flashbacks. Which then confused the hell out of me at the end. It turns out that htis would have been after they got off the island. Well someone has trouble with the time line!!!!!! Which pisses me off.
Jack was in the hospital drunk and stumbling around. The head Doc told him to leave since he was intoxicated. So Jack says "Lets go to see my father and if I am more drunk than he is then you can fire me!" or something to that effect. Jacks dad is dead. Am I missing something???? I really love the show. I have the first season on DVD. I am saving up for the next too. THey are that expensive. lol. I am glad Charlie is dead though. He wasnt adding much to the storylines. |
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 06/12/2007 : 10:59:28
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I thought the 3 finale was brilliant, and opened up a whole new can of worms with the flash-forward. To answer somebody above, you go back by going back; presumably they were rescued by somebody who now knows exactly where the island is, and thus the castaways do too.
I thought season 3 was spotty overall but had some great moments: Hurley and the VW microbus, the "short story" with the spiders. Sorry to lose a main character, but is he really lost? I mean, check the body before you schedule the funeral!
As for catching up, the creators have done a good job of preceding every new season with a "clip show" that will give you everything you really need to know. |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 06/12/2007 : 11:52:00
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Originally posted by Ali
You know Lost is a drama, right? It's not like a Mark Burnett-type reality show, although that is one of the inspirations.
Really? Wait... is Lost the one with the people being replaced alien-fashion, and the island where wierd things happen on it, and people being isolated and stuff like that? If so, I watched the first couple of episodes, decided it was an only so-so, soap-opera with a sci-fi spin, and stopped watching it.
Same thing happend with me and 4400. I really liked most of the first season but then it became a soap-opera and now it is just boring.
It seems to me that American TV drama shows can't take a really original idea and keep it truly original for more than a season, anymore. Everything ends up becoming melodramatic to a point where even a day-time soap would be embarassed with some of their story lines. Hell, I caught a snip of one of the recent episodes of Prison Break and saw that it too has become a soap opera.
I say... Bring back Dr. Who! We've only had through where he loses Rose Tyler and I'm dying to see what happens with that cliff-hanger ending and the bride in the Tardis. In the meanwhile, they're airing Torchwood here to keep us from rioting in the streets. It is good, but not as good as Dr. Who.
(Of course, the female natives aren't totally restless because John Barrowman is so yummy to watch! And yes, I know he's gay, and I don't care!)
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 06/12/2007 : 11:56:35
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Ooops - that isn't Lost either, I guess. I just checked IMDb and see it is something else altogether. Haven't a clue about it, but I can see from the episode guide that it wouldn't be for me.
(I did like Gilligan's Island, but all the absurd stuff could be laughed away because it was a comedy. This just sounds more absurd than absurd.)
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benj clews 
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Posted - 06/12/2007 : 14:21:40
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Having seen the finale, does anyone have any new theories on what's going on?
I had a couple more ideas besides the usual (it's aliens, it's the afterlife, etc...). One theory might be this is an alternate universe and if the outside world (i.e. our universe) were to make contact with them then, according to Ben, they would all die. He said this in such a way that it sounded like it was almost an instantaneous thing, in the same way that two universes co-existing where the same people (from the crashed plane) were both dead AND alive might rip apart the fabric of time and space. Okay- that's a long shot, but it's one theory... 
Another thought I had was that perhaps the island is kind of a snapshot of time- like the people there are frozen in a moment somehow and if they die there then in the outside world (effectively the future) they also die. What put this in my mind was that the only one that Naomi (the girl who parachuted in from the outside world) tells about their own funeral back in the outside world is Charlie- the only person who died in this finale.
Next season, I'm putting my money on the survivors joining forces with the others (at least in the short term) against the outsiders. What happens as a result of them coming to the island will be what pushes Jack to suicide in the future- he can't deal with the fact he's responsible (i.e. making the call on the satellite phone) for everything that's to come (probably a lot of death).
Well, that's what I think anyway 
Also, any theories on why the native who originally befriended Ben as a child looks exactly like one of the others?
Loved the finale myself- it was a great whammy twisting time the *other* direction for once (Any theories on whose funeral is was that Jack attended, BTW?). The way the writers keep manipulating the story through jumps in time is what keeps me coming back (other stand-outs being the episode about the couple poisoning each other and the one where Juliet's real (or not) reason for switching sides is revealed).
I just wish I didn't have to wait another 3 seaons to find out what the answer behind all this is...  |
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Ali
"Those aren't pillows."
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Posted - 06/12/2007 : 15:00:14
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Originally posted by benj clews
Having seen the finale, does anyone have any new theories on what's going on?
I had a couple more ideas besides the usual (it's aliens, it's the afterlife, etc...). One theory might be this is an alternate universe and if the outside world (i.e. our universe) were to make contact with them then, according to Ben, they would all die. He said this in such a way that it sounded like it was almost an instantaneous thing, in the same way that two universes co-existing where the same people (from the crashed plane) were both dead AND alive might rip apart the fabric of time and space. Okay- that's a long shot, but it's one theory...
I don't think it's going to be as simple as "a rift in time" or "alternative universes." However, you might not be that far off. The person on the other end of the line when Jack makes the call at the end of the episode says his name is Minkowsky, which happens to be the name of an early twentieth century German mathematician-physicist who described time as a fourth dimension.
From Wikipedia: By 1907 Minkowski realized that the special theory of relativity, introduced by Einstein in 1905 and based on previous work of Lorentz and Poincar�, could be best understood in a four dimensional space, since known as "Minkowski spacetime", in which the time and space are not separated entities but intermingled in a four dimensional space-time, and in which the Lorentz geometry of special relativity can be nicely represented. The beginning part of his address delivered at the 80th Assembly of German Natural Scientists and Physicians (September 21, 1908) is now famous:
"The views of space and time which I wish to lay before you have sprung from the soil of experimental physics, and therein lies their strength. They are radical. Henceforth space by itself, and time by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an independent reality."
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Also, any theories on why the native who originally befriended Ben as a child looks exactly like one of the others?
He is the same person: Richard Alpert. Apart from Ben, the only significant Other to survive the evnts of the finale. Which prompts the question: Why hasn't he aged? And how and why did Ben become the Others' leader so much so that he is the only person to have ever seen Jacob?
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(Any theories on whose funeral is was that Jack attended, BTW?)
I have a feeling it's Michael. I am not sure if Jack and Kate aren't the only ones who have left the island, but it would make sense if Michael were in the casket (with his being the betrayer and all).
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randall
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 06/14/2007 : 23:44:18
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I definitely don't think Jack and Kate are the only ones who left the island. The person in the casket [Sawyer?...unless Kate is now married to him!] most assuredly did too.
I just love (1) the tease, and (2) the understanding that all will be revealed. This isn't like THE SOPRANOS: you cannot cut to black to end this one. |
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Lost - Season Three (Huge Spoilers)
