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rockfsh 
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Whippersnapper. 
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 Posted - 06/14/2007 : 10:04:24
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Wow! I've just started listening to it and "Chatma" seems particularly great.
As they swapped assult rifles for stratocasters, maybe you should see what they would offer you for your teenage daughters!?
But where would you keep those camels anyway? 
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Sean 
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 06/14/2007 : 10:47:14
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This sounds fairly good. I might add it to my African music collection when I get over the unbelievable ignorance of most of the reviewers on that Amazon page. Anyone would think that Africans imported the blues from the USA, when it's absolutely clear that they exported it to the Americas centuries ago (well it was forcibly imported by slavers centuries ago). This one is my favourite:-
"Tinariwen (Tashmarek for "empty places") is the first band ever in their country to use electric guitars"
BTW, rockfsh, if you like that you should also check out:-
Orchestra Baobab - Pirate's Choice - from Senegal. This is absolutely essential for anyone who even suspects that they might like African music.
Ibro Diabate - Eh! Wotan - from Guinea. Seriously impassioned. Avoid any web sampler, it won't do it justice. The most emotive material builds up over much longer than 30 seconds... Hauntingly beautiful stuff...
Electric & Acoustic Mali - a brilliant compilation in EMI's excellent Hemisphere series. Oh yeah, they use electric guitars sometimes....
Super Guitar Soukous - another brilliant Hemisphere compilation. On-your-feet bounciness. Classic tropical dance music. These guys are brilliant guitar soloists. And on those strange instruments known as electric guitars that those backwards Africans had never heard of until 2007....
I've got plenty more African music if anyone wants any pointers, but that should do until now.  I haven't listened to it much recently though, I've been in a seriously metal mood for a couple of years now. The heavier and blacker the better.  |
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Sean
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Posted - 06/14/2007 : 11:15:57
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When everyone's heard enough African music, check this link out. The home page plays a 10 second sample of an album I managed to find second-hand via Amazon and had sent from the USA which arrived a few days ago.  Make sure your browser is enabled for playing sound...
http://home.snafu.de/tsatthoggua/
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Whippersnapper.
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Posted - 06/14/2007 : 11:46:43
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I guess that's as good as "SADO-MASO-HYPERSPEED-METAL" gets, but let's face it, it's crap, isn't it? 
(The music doesn't play on Firefox, which is either a fault or a humanitarian protective feature, depending on your point of view.)
I'm not sure who wrote what in Amazon, but I think the claim is that Tinawiren - who have been going 25 years, incidentally - were the first Tuareg band to use electric guitars, which is more plausible and I'm not going to argue with it. Anyone who can name an earlier Tuareg band who used electric guitars is welcome to post.
I'll look into Sean's other African musical pix and might report back.
Almost forgot to pick another argument with Sean.
Whilst the Blues seems to have originated, as far as we can tell, from West Africa, it has been re-imported back from America to there and other parts of Africa. According to Tinawiren the Blues is not part of their Tuareg cultural musical tradition but something they have recently assimilated.
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Sean
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Posted - 06/14/2007 : 13:59:28
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
I guess that's as good as "SADO-MASO-HYPERSPEED-METAL" gets, but let's face it, it's crap, isn't it?
Is not! It's excellent! I knew you'd love it. quote:
I'm not sure who wrote what in Amazon, but I think the claim is that Tinawiren - who have been going 25 years, incidentally - were the first Tuareg band to use electric guitars, which is more plausible and I'm not going to argue with it. Anyone who can name an earlier Tuareg band who used electric guitars is welcome to post.
That may be true. But they are not the first Malinese band to use them, I've got Malinese electric guitar-based music going back at least 25 years. Not that I care who was first.
Normally I find the occasional review in Amazon quite useful, particularly useful is the "if you like..... then you should like this band" kind of statement. I found no reviews for Tinariwen that compared their style to any other Malinese or West African artists, but plenty making comparisons with blues artists from the Americas. My guess is the writers were not familiar with African music and that Tinariwen is about all they know about it. Gotta start somewhere I suppose. quote:
Almost forgot to pick another argument with Sean.
Whilst the Blues seems to have originated, as far as we can tell, from West Africa, it has been re-imported back from America to there and other parts of Africa. According to Tinawiren the Blues is not part of their Tuareg cultural musical tradition but something they have recently assimilated.
The Malinke never lost the blues, so I doubt they needed to re-import it. Perhaps the Tuareg never had the blues, but given they've shared Mali (and other parts of West Africa) with the Malinke for centuries, it makes sense that they were familiar with the style. Likewise, Tuareg-style call-and-response vocals also occurs in Malinkenese (sp?) music.*
A similar example would be the fact that the clave rhythm is invariably associated with Cuba, it's explicit or implicit in virtually all Afro-Cuban music, yet it's quintessentially West African. It's in their bones, like the blues. Thankfully.
*Soukous is perhaps the most widely ranging modern African musical style in Africa (I never went anywhere where it wasn't being played by someone), it's electric-guitar based, but is also quintessentially African. It's their pop music, but doesn't sound like anything I've ever heard played in the Western world, (much to the detriment of the West). It appears to be Central-African derived, but elements of it are commonly incorporated into other styles of music thoughout the continent. Soukous, blues, clave are all African, and have a habit of popping up all over the continent.  |
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Whippersnapper.
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Posted - 06/14/2007 : 14:12:02
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Be that as it may, Tinariwen said in an interview their musical culture did not include the blues. I agree its likely that none of the Amazon reviewers were well qualified to place them in an African context, but these days with new fangled ideas like radio, 78s and even cassettes, musical ideas can travel great distances and cross-pollenate.
And Tsatthoggua did to music in 10 seconds what it took Hitler six years to do to Europe. |
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rockfsh
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Posted - 06/14/2007 : 16:34:55
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper:
As they swapped assult rifles for stratocasters, maybe you should see what they would offer you for your teenage daughters!?
But where would you keep those camels anyway?
I might pay a dowery for them to take them off my hands.
Sean thanks for the suggestions. |
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Sean
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Posted - 06/15/2007 : 03:43:30
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Originally posted by Whippersnapper
And Tsatthoggua did to music in 10 seconds what it took Hitler six years to do to Europe.
But at least their tongues are planted firmly in their cheeks. Hitler was serious!
Tsatthoggua is an exercise in extremity, i.e., how heavy, how fast, and how evil-sounding can music be. All for fun. I sometimes find myself smiling when listening to it and wondering if the band could have played it without smiling. Their thematic focus of sado-masochism just confirms it's all tongue-in-cheek. Sado-masochism is all about fun, isn't it?
By the time I was 17 I realised I didn't have an upper-limit for tolerance of heaviness in music. Or a lower-limit for that matter. |
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Sean
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Posted - 08/09/2007 : 07:59:27
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Originally posted by rockfsh
http://www.amazon.com/Amassakoul-Tinariwen/dp/B0006213NU/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/105-0718639-0232412?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1181798192&sr=8-2
Check out this group of former Touareg desert fighters who traded in their assault rifles for stratocasters. Talk about street cred. Of course my teenage daughters think I'm crazy "Are you watching the National Geographic Channel or what?"
OK, this just arrived yesterday (in a package along with 6 other CDs including Finnish folk music, Faroese folk metal etc), and I've just listened to it. I think I'll upgrade my description from above from "that sounds fairly good" to "very very good" and for some of the tracks, "excellent".
Thanks for the tip, rockfsh. Did you get to check out those others I suggested? If you like Tinariwen then I think you will definitely like some or all of those others.
OK, now I'll go put on Korpiklaani's latest.... |
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rockfsh
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Posted - 08/10/2007 : 16:35:03
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Originally posted by Se�n
Thanks for the tip, rockfsh. Did you get to check out those others I suggested? If you like Tinariwen then I think you will definitely like some or all of those others.
OK, now I'll go put on Korpiklaani's latest....
I'll order some of those CDs now. I meant to but got caught up in an addictive website.... |
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