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Sal[Au]pian 
"Four ever European"

Posted - 01/21/2008 :  16:09:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I already knew that it was exercise, but have just found out that it is advertise too. How come? (This is in fact not just an American spelling issue, as all -ize forms in American usage are also correct in British English, but it's interesting that American English is forced to use -ise when there is no -ize.) It seems natural that surprise would not count as a normal -ise/-ize word, but I find exercise and especially advertise surprising.

Edited by - Sal[Au]pian on 01/30/2008 11:28:05

BaftaBaby 
"Always entranced by cinema."

Posted - 01/21/2008 :  16:53:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Salopian

I already knew that it was exercise, but have just found out that it is advertise too. How come? (This is in fact not just an American spelling issue, as all -ize forms in American usage are also correct in British English, but it's interesting that American English is forced to use -ise when there is no -ize.) It seems natural that surprise would not count as a normal -ise/-ize word, but I find exercise and especially advertise surprising.



Dunno for sure, but possibly has something to do with advertisement ... since there is no word advertizement. If you see what I mean. Admittedly, that doesn't explain exercse, tho!

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Sal[Au]pian 
"Four ever European"

Posted - 01/21/2008 :  17:33:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That sounds a bit circular to mean, B.B. (i.e. there's no advertizement because there's no advertize because there's no advertizement...)!

I've just come across televise too (I'm editing something that is to be in American English).

I remember an English teacher telling me that one suffix was originally from Greek and one from Latin, so perhaps the American spelling actually follows that distinction.
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turrell 
"Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh "

Posted - 01/21/2008 :  18:03:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well soon after the introduction of Jazzercise, gyms in American tried to advertise (see) their Jazzercise classes on those signs outside and as anyone knows these signs only come with 2 z's - thus, Jazzercise was born and once that was unleashed you couldn't unring the bell.

I'm not sure about this - pure conjecture.
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TitanPa 
"Here four more"

Posted - 01/21/2008 :  18:46:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We wanted to Americanize the language.

Aww damn...that didnt work..

uh..nevermind.

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thefoxboy 
"Four your eyes only."

Posted - 01/21/2008 :  21:51:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by turrell

Well soon after the introduction of Jazzercise, gyms in American tried to advertise (see) their Jazzercise classes on those signs outside and as anyone knows these signs only come with 2 z's - thus, Jazzercise was born and once that was unleashed you couldn't unring the bell.

I'm not sure about this - pure conjecture.



Love it.
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Animal Mutha 
"Who would've thunk it?"

Posted - 01/22/2008 :  01:43:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bill Bryson has written, as always, a great book on the subject:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Made-America-Bill-Bryson/dp/0552998052/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200966050&sr=1-13

If you want to know a little bit about every scientific discovery since the beginning of time (well almost), try this one:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Short-History-Nearly-Everything/dp/0552997048/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200966035&sr=1-2

Enjoy

Edited by - Animal Mutha on 01/22/2008 01:44:04
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lemmycaution 
"Long mired in film"

Posted - 01/22/2008 :  13:48:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/13/messages/785.html
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ChocolateLady 
"500 Chocolate Delights"

Posted - 01/23/2008 :  07:42:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lemmycaution

http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/13/messages/785.html



Do you think that posting this was really wize... (er, wise...)?
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turrell 
"Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh "

Posted - 01/24/2008 :  05:27:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by turrell

Well soon after the introduction of Jazzercise, gyms in American tried to advertise (see) their Jazzercise classes on those signs outside and as anyone knows these signs only come with 2 z's - thus, Jazzercise was born and once that was unleashed you couldn't unring the bell.

I'm not sure about this - pure conjecture.



I think this pretty much proves my theory...

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3536/churchsignub4.jpg
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Wheelz 
"FWFR%u2019ing like it%u2019s 1999"

Posted - 01/24/2008 :  19:03:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by turrell

quote:
Originally posted by turrell

Well soon after the introduction of Jazzercise, gyms in American tried to advertise (see) their Jazzercise classes on those signs outside and as anyone knows these signs only come with 2 z's - thus, Jazzercise was born and once that was unleashed you couldn't unring the bell.

I'm not sure about this - pure conjecture.



I think this pretty much proves my theory...

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3536/churchsignub4.jpg

So fat folks can't get into Heaven, apparently.

Guess I'd better get to the gym.
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turrell 
"Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh "

Posted - 01/24/2008 :  20:22:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The fat man can't get his camel through the eye of the needle or something like that - I'll have to ask the good brothers of Benet Academy. (you live in Naperville, right?)

Edited by - turrell on 01/24/2008 20:23:05
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Wheelz 
"FWFR%u2019ing like it%u2019s 1999"

Posted - 01/25/2008 :  18:09:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Indeed I do... I saw a community theatre production of Little Shop of Horrors in Benet's auditorium once, but that's as close as I've gotten to holding a theological discussion with any of the staff there.

(I do seem to have pulled this thread off-topic, I'm afraid. Perhaps it will help if I claiam to have seen Little Shop of Horrorz instead.)
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turrell 
"Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh "

Posted - 01/25/2008 :  20:53:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was a redwing and was taught spelling by the good Benedictinesz.
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Wheelz 
"FWFR%u2019ing like it%u2019s 1999"

Posted - 01/25/2008 :  23:47:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Didn't know you spent time around my 'hood, turrell...

I've lived in and around the Windy City my whole life. What's your story?
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Sal[Au]pian 
"Four ever European"

Posted - 01/30/2008 :  10:32:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for all those links etc.

He's another query. You know how Americans say "out the window"? Is "out of the window" wrong or is that acceptable as a variant? (I am wondering this for use in products to be sold in Britain and America, but which are to have American spelling.)

Edited by - Sal[Au]pian on 01/30/2008 17:26:01
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