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Montgomery 
"F**k!"
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 Posted - 08/27/2008 : 04:56:19
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Wow! What a speech! The speech of her career so far, if you ask me. I'm pumped!
EM :) |
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MguyXXVI
"X marks the spot"
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Posted - 08/27/2008 : 05:03:52
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| Very impressive speech. |
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BaftaBaby 
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 08/27/2008 : 07:05:23
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Gotta feeling hubby might sweep in more of the crowd today 
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Sean 
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 01:43:26
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I'm predicting McCain will win the election as being black hasn't got Obama any extra votes (blacks vote Democrat anyway), but it will have lost him votes from the racist bigots who - although they won't publicly admit they're voting white - in the secrecy of a polling booth will find themselves voting for the white man.
What sayest thou Americans who know US society a zillion times better than me? |
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Montgomery
"F**k!"
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 02:32:05
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quote:
Originally posted by Se�n
I'm predicting McCain will win the election as being black hasn't got Obama any extra votes (blacks vote Democrat anyway), but it will have lost him votes from the racist bigots who - although they won't publicly admit they're voting white - in the secrecy of a polling booth will find themselves voting for the white man.
What sayest thou Americans who know US society a zillion times better than me?
I can only hope and pray that you are dead wrong.
We need Obama. We need change. Four more years of an administration that bleeds our country dry, while serving up the spoils to the top income % and oil companies with record profits, will kill us.
And we need to stop killing people for oil and start thinking of energy alternatives that will save our economy and help our world.
EM :) |
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rockfsh 
"Laugh, Love, Cheer"
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 02:51:24
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quote:
Originally posted by Se�n
I'm predicting McCain will win the election as being black hasn't got Obama any extra votes (blacks vote Democrat anyway), but it will have lost him votes from the racist bigots who - although they won't publicly admit they're voting white - in the secrecy of a polling booth will find themselves voting for the white man.
What sayest thou Americans who know US society a zillion times better than me?
There will be a sea change in America and Obama will not only win but will win by a large margin. |
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MisterBadIdea 
"PLZ GET MILK, KTHXBYE"
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 03:04:13
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Originally posted by rockfsh
There will be a sea change in America and Obama will not only win but will win by a large margin.
::sigh::
Let's keep a clear head here, people. Obama's not winning by a lot, and before the DNC he was actually losing by a small margin. McCain can still win this, and easily. |
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Sean
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 05:07:27
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quote:
Originally posted by rockfsh
quote:
Originally posted by Se�n
I'm predicting McCain will win the election as being black hasn't got Obama any extra votes (blacks vote Democrat anyway), but it will have lost him votes from the racist bigots who - although they won't publicly admit they're voting white - in the secrecy of a polling booth will find themselves voting for the white man.
What sayest thou Americans who know US society a zillion times better than me?
There will be a sea change in America and Obama will not only win but will win by a large margin.
But what's your reasoning for this other than hope? I'm not asking why you might want a change (it's obvious to me), but where would a betting man put his money? My money - unfortunately - would be on McCain, for the reason I outlined. And yeah, I'd love to lose my money.  |
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rockfsh
"Laugh, Love, Cheer"
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 06:46:28
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check this site. According to polls Obama is ahead in electoral votes and his convention bounce is not fully factored in.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
I predict he will win in Florida, Ohio and Virginia and the rout will be on. Remember the non land line vote is not factored in and Obama has a huge lead in the cel phone generation.
Obama 08 |
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Sean
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 08:09:21
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Originally posted by rockfsh
check this site. According to polls Obama is ahead in electoral votes and his convention bounce is not fully factored in.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
I predict he will win in Florida, Ohio and Virginia and the rout will be on. Remember the non land line vote is not factored in and Obama has a huge lead in the cel phone generation.
Obama 08
Interesting site. But it's hardly reassuring that he's behind in the crucial states of OH and FL.
And how relevant will polls be? I read this yesterday from here:-
In 1990, Harvey Gantt, a black senatorial candidate in North Carolina, was up by 8 points on election day against an Old South white incumbent, Jesse Helms. Verbal exit polls even reported he was the winner by a large margin.
But behind that white curtain, voters told a far different story. They told their truth. The black candidate actually lost by a whopping 8 points.
Hopefully 2008 is a different place than 1990.
I'm pessimistic because in 2004 voters had never had a better reason to kick out an administration with extreme prejudice... but they didn't. They said "Yep, we'll have more of that". |
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w22dheartlivie
"Kitty Lover"
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 09:26:08
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Well, my response to the Gantt effect note is to remind people that this was Jesse Helms, the main stalwart of the tobacco lobby, and North Carolina, the home of all that is holy in the tobacco growing and cigarette manufacturing US. It's no small coincidence that the federal tobacco tax didn't begin to spiral heavenward until after he left office in 2001. He protected the cronies who voted him into office. Jesse Helms, to my view, was a vile, nasty, man who was not just a reincarnation of the worst parts of the old south, but maybe, secretly, the Grand Wizard of the North Carolina Ku Klux Klan. He pandered to the lowest common denominators of his constituency and was the last holdover of old time bigotry.
Helms opposed any and everything viewed as progressive, including school integration, civil rights and voting rights. He spent 16 days on a filibuster opposing Senate approval of Martin Luther King Jr. holiday. He also opposed gay rights, affirmative action, tax increases, abortion, foreign aid, communism, government support of the arts and I've heard rumors that he tried to pass a law stopping the Girl Scouts from selling cookies because the little woman's place was in the home, barefoot and pregnant. He fought federal funding of AIDS research and treatment and spearheaded the ban on international travel and immigration to the US based on HIV status because he claimed there wasn't a single case of AIDS in the US that wasn't related to sodomy. When Congress was considering the Ryan White CARE Act, which Helms vehemently opposed (back to the "blame the victim" mentality he encouraged), he refused to even speak to White's mother when they were in the same elevator. Helms did some of his best work in elevators. This was the place where he sang "Dixie" to the only black (female) senator (at the time) as they rode. His stance on AIDS funding is the only thing I know of that he backpedaled on, and that was after he realized the spread of AIDS in Africa had nothing to do with sodomy.
So why did he beat Gantt? Fear. His campaign traded on the fear instilled in his constituency by strong Southern Confederate racism. It had nothing to do with Helms being the better man, he wasn't. He relied on his tried and true election strategy � cronyism and backroom dealings. Yet despite having a rich machine behind him, he didn't sweep that election. It was even less than an 8 point spread, it was in reality around a 52%-47% split. This encourages me. I fear for the country if McCain wins. Not that McCain is really such a bad guy himself, but I'm not convinced that he will do things much differently than Bush.
I truly believe we can't take four or eight more years of the Republican machine. I was repulsed by Bush's good old boy routine in Beijing this month. I sincerely believe it was a calculated thing, to soften the public face of Republicanism - "Look, good old Georgie W. is a-hangin' out with those purdy volleyball girls. He cain't be all bad." My view is that the 2004 election results were more a factor of the unknown. Bush arguably put on a good face for the world post-9/11. He had an enormous amount of support following that. He might even have had the best interests of the country at heart in the beginning. He rode the waning tide of that support over the growing awareness that something is beginning to stink in DC. That is, if he really did win. I realize that what a person says they are going to do and what they do when the voting booth curtain is closed may be two different things, but I still doubt that Bush carried Indiana, and more specifically, my Democrat county. No one I know voted for him. Ah well. I agree with Montgomery. A change really needs to come. We desperately need Obama. There is no better time than now for the country to be bold.
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Sean
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 09:42:37
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Sounds like a nice guy! 
But my point remains: the polls showed Helms well behind against a black opponent, but on election day he ended well ahead. Why couldn't the same scenario apply to Obama vs. McCain? I.e., poll respondents claim they'll vote Obama to avoid being painted as bigots when in fact they're going to vote McCain. |
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w22dheartlivie
"Kitty Lover"
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 09:54:07
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| I'm updating the posting above Sean. I may not answer your question, but I found I have more to say. (I hate it when I get this way.) I'm not a fan of polls because we aren't always privy to the polling methods and the population polled. Besides, it wouldn't have been unheard of in this country, even in 1990, for the cousins to be jammed into the back of the pick up and driven from poll to poll. Okay, maybe not that, but who says the man really lost? The Helms machine had perpetual motion in North Carolina. |
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MisterBadIdea
"PLZ GET MILK, KTHXBYE"
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 13:54:53
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Okay, let's not be overly cynical either. As a racial minority living in America, I think you're overstating the prevalence of American racism.
Moreover, you have to understand something about the 2004 election: John Kerry was a profoundly unimpressive candidate who ran an astoundingly passive campaign. Most everyone I know who voted for Kerry told me they were actually voting against Bush. A campaign platform based around not being someone else does not inspire people to vote, and keep in mind that Kerry still lost by a slim margin at that.
In the past month or so, Obama has been trying hard not to look like a John Kerry, but it's McCain who has to work twice as hard not to look like a Bob Dole. He's the one who has to prove he's something besides not-his-opponent.
Well, here's to hoping. |
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Montgomery
"F**k!"
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Posted - 08/29/2008 : 17:10:32
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John Kerry is a very smart guy. But so frustrating in his campaigning. Why? Why? Why didn't he just say, in response to the Republican taunt of him being a flip-flopper because he fought in the Vietman War (possibly enlisted?) and then came back and opposed it, "Yes. I went to that war. And I fought bravely. And I saw my friends die. And I realized the war was not a good war. Was not a win-able war. And when I came back, I spoke out against the war in order to help my friends and all the other soldiers over there still fighting to have the chance to come home alive. Yes. I did that. I changed my mind. And if you had been there, you would have changed your mind, too. Changing your mind is not a sign of weakness. It is a sign that a person can learn and grow. And I stand by what I did. And I am not ashamed. I fought for my country. And then I fought so that no one else would have to die or be injured in a war that had no real purpose and no real end."
I saw Al Gore speak last night and I thought, "Now, why couldn't that have been the Al Gore who ran for President?" What a great speaker now. During the election, he seemed so wooden.
But Obama. What do I say about Obama? That was the best speech I've ever heard. (Live) It's the speech I was waiting for. I made my son come and watch it with me, because I felt like it was history in the making and I think (I pray) it is. Not history, because Obama is a black man running for president, because honestly, I don't see people as their appearance. But, for the man he is. The thinker. The planner. The dreamer. The man who will get in and fight for a good cause. That is the man I want running our country.
I was kinda not so sure about Obama before. More in Hillary's camp. Although, not sure about her, either, to be honest. Just knowing I would vote for the final Dem Candidate. Because I am a Liberal and would stay loyal to our causes no matter what. But now, I am sending money to Obama's campaign. I am an Obama fan!
It was just the right speech. With all the right points made. And delivered perfectly.
Obama/Biden '08! Let's go, America. Like he said, it's not about him. It's about us.
What do you want America to be? I want us to be a place where we care for those who cannot care for themselves. A place where education is top priority. A place with healthcare for everyone. A country that is an example to the rest of the world of how to do things right -- not an example to be ridiculed for our hard headedness and abuse of power. A place that plans for the future. Thinks about what we will be handing down to the next generation in debt and ecologically. A place I can be proud of again.
Go Obama/Biden!
EM :) |
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rockfsh
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Hillary Clinton.
