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Sean 
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."

Posted - 09/24/2008 :  00:38:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index has just been released for 2008.

NZ is on top yet again.

ChocolateLady 
"500 Chocolate Delights"

Posted - 09/24/2008 :  07:40:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hm... USA is ranked 18? They must have surveyed only Republicans.

And Israel is 33rd. Not bad, actually, considering how Israelis are suspicious of everyone, all the time.
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Beanmimo 
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Posted - 09/24/2008 :  17:27:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

And where's the Vatican...and Singapore?

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Sal[Au]pian 
"Four ever European"

Posted - 09/24/2008 :  18:06:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'd be more interested to see a corruption table, not just perceptions. Countries will come higher up if they have more naive citizens, lower quality journalism, weaker anti-corruption bodies and officials who are better at hiding their misdeeds (as well as if there just is less corruption, of course).

Edited by - Sal[Au]pian on 09/24/2008 18:08:44
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Herky 

Posted - 09/24/2008 :  23:27:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Se�n
NZ is on top yet again.


Who'd you guys have to pay off to obtain that ranking?

(j/k)

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Sean 
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."

Posted - 09/25/2008 :  03:15:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beanmimo

And where's the Vatican...and Singapore?
Singapore is 4th. Not all countries are there, including the Vatican. They explain in the methodology why some countries are omitted (not enough data etc).
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Originally posted by Salopian

I'd be more interested to see a corruption table, not just perceptions.
I can imagine this being very hard to measure. You could only measure instances of corruption being documented, so some of the most corrupt countries would be high on the list as their corruption is endemic and does not become 'exposed' (although it may be generally understood to have occurred).
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Countries will come higher up if they have more naive citizens, lower quality journalism, weaker anti-corruption bodies and officials who are better at hiding their misdeeds (as well as if there just is less corruption, of course).
My gut-feel (from some personal experience living in some of the most corrupt countries) is that this index is probably pretty reliable. I don't think the average person is naive about corruption in the most corrupt societies, they know everything there is to know about corruption because that's the way the society works; everything is for sale to the highest bidder. The average citizen is bribing people all the time, and would have difficulty functioning without it. E.g., one of my kitchen staff in Kenya was a qualified school teacher but was not teaching in the school as she couldn't afford the bribe required by the school principal; this was a commonplace scenario and accepted by everyone as normal.

Edited by - Sean on 09/25/2008 03:29:18
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