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| Ali |
Posted - 06/06/2007 : 09:55:18
What did everyone think of the Season 3 finale? Everyone who's seen it, that is.
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| benj clews |
Posted - 09/19/2007 : 20:28:29
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Originally posted by ragingfluff
I read something to the effect that the people who write the show don't really know where it's going, but they've given themselves three more yars to figure it out.
I heard the exact opposite! Seems like the making of the show is as mysterious as it's subject...
As I heard it, the big story was in place from the off (but how you can keep people from guessing it over the course of 7 years with small clues being slipped in there every week, I have no idea). They weren't really sure how many seasons would be written but, because of the scale of this, it really wasn't an option to be cancelled after one season.
After that I heard sometime during season two that the writers had enough back stories worked out to run for at least another 4 years. Certainly though, the way stories in the past often cross rather intricately things at least seem pretty well planned out in advance.
Sadly, I'll have to bail on this thread soon for fear of spoilers... I stupidly signed up with Virgin Media as my TV provider here in the UK for the next 12 months not realising that, due to legal wrangles, they don't supply the channel which shows Lost, 24, Nip/Tuck or The Simpsons.
I'm going to go off and cry now. |
| Sal[Au]pian |
Posted - 09/19/2007 : 15:43:37
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Originally posted by ragingfluff
heroin addicts that still manage to remain good-looking
Yes, thank goodness.  |
| Stalean |
Posted - 09/19/2007 : 15:33:37
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by ragingfluff
I'll stick with HEROES (which, if it starts getting silly, I'll drop like a rock
I like Heroes too, but if it starts getting silly...?!!
Yes... well... the end of season one has what looks like a promo for season two, which makes everything up until then look very reasonable. So I'm not sure I'll be tuning into much of season two when it comes on here. Since season two only airs in the USA next week, I think we'll have a little wait for that. But I will certainly give it one or two episodes.
As for "Lost", I don't think they ever put it on here - at least not on my TV package. Of course, we never got to see "Rome" because we don't subscribe to the company that shows it, which I think is a shame, but I don't feel the least deprived about "Lost" - doesn't seem like I would care for it much. And anyway, I'm not changing over - I get "Desparate Housewives", "Gray's Anatomy", "Heroes", "Robin Hood", "Dirt", "Shark", "Criminal Minds", "Cold Case", and a whole slew of other shows that they don't, so I'll forgive them not getting me "Rome".
You can get "Rome" on dvd now, anyway.  I watched "Cold Case" for a year and couldn't take Kathryn Morris's hairstyle any longer.  |
| ragingfluff |
Posted - 09/19/2007 : 14:51:01
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by ragingfluff
I'll stick with HEROES (which, if it starts getting silly, I'll drop like a rock
I like Heroes too, but if it starts getting silly...?!!
Well, yes, I mean flying politicians, exploding men, invisible men, really hot underage girls that are indestructible, really hot women that have split personalities, men who can walk through walls, chubby police officers who can hear people's thoughts, heroin addicts that can paint the future (heroin addicts that still manage to remain good-looking), time-space continuum fabric-tearing Japanese salarymen....all of this is fairly realistic. 
Making up a story about weapons of mass destruction as an excuse to finish a war your daddy started and get your oil-hungry friends access to billins of barrels of crude oil...now that is such a silly storyline nobody would believe it and it wouldn't get beyond the pilot episode
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| Ali |
Posted - 09/19/2007 : 13:32:09
I, too, like Heroes, but it is a not a great show by any means.
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| ChocolateLady |
Posted - 09/19/2007 : 12:21:11
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by ragingfluff
I'll stick with HEROES (which, if it starts getting silly, I'll drop like a rock
I like Heroes too, but if it starts getting silly...?!!
Yes... well... the end of season one has what looks like a promo for season two, which makes everything up until then look very reasonable. So I'm not sure I'll be tuning into much of season two when it comes on here. Since season two only airs in the USA next week, I think we'll have a little wait for that. But I will certainly give it one or two episodes.
As for "Lost", I don't think they ever put it on here - at least not on my TV package. Of course, we never got to see "Rome" because we don't subscribe to the company that shows it, which I think is a shame, but I don't feel the least deprived about "Lost" - doesn't seem like I would care for it much. And anyway, I'm not changing over - I get "Desparate Housewives", "Gray's Anatomy", "Heroes", "Robin Hood", "Dirt", "Shark", "Criminal Minds", "Cold Case", and a whole slew of other shows that they don't, so I'll forgive them not getting me "Rome". |
| Sal[Au]pian |
Posted - 09/19/2007 : 11:43:36
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Originally posted by ragingfluff
I'll stick with HEROES (which, if it starts getting silly, I'll drop like a rock
I like Heroes too, but if it starts getting silly...?!! |
| Sal[Au]pian |
Posted - 09/19/2007 : 11:42:37
I really love Lost, ludicrousness included.
Radio 1 one day gave away that Charlie dies. I didn't hear that, but the next day they apologised for giving away who dies. As I didn't know that anyone significant dies, this was a terrible spoiler too, especially as Charlie's death is not exactly out of the blue (though in the blue). Still, as long as Sawyer stays alive, I'll be happy.
I hope something is done with them having buried two people alive: it would be really vexing if they were just forgotten about, but I doubt they will be.
N.B. I got a black Motorola RAZR in Britain in July/August 2005, when it had just come out. The silver one came out here at about the beginning of that year. |
| TitanPa |
Posted - 09/19/2007 : 04:47:02
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Originally posted by ragingfluff
Ali is a fan, obviously, and from the sounds of it, cares deeply for the show. i admire his commitment to the TV series, but I'll stick with HEROES (which, if it starts getting silly, I'll drop like a rock)
ITs electrifying! |
| ragingfluff |
Posted - 09/18/2007 : 21:47:24
I don't watch "Lost", but I have found myself drawn in now and again, but friends of mine who are die-hard fans are at a loss (no pun) to explain it. I watched the first two episodes of the first season and decided I couldn't commit to watching week in, week out to a series that has polar bears rampaging in the jungle.
I'd given several years of my life to "The X Files" and watched it get progressively sillier and less rewarding each week; I wasn't set for that again. I stopped watching "Prison Break" after they first broke out of prison for similar reasons. "Lost" is either brilliant TV or ludicrous.
I read something to the effect that the people who write the show don't really know where it's going, but they've given themselves three more yars to figure it out. From the few times I've stumbled on it, I have no idea if the people on the island are dead or alive or in purgatory. One of the show's producers has suggested that the key to the whole thing lies in the books that Sawyer reads, and they point to Flann O'Brien's The Third Policeman as VERY IMPORTANT. Well, SPOILER AHEAD:
in the Third Policeman, the protagonist is dead and he is in a version of Hell.
(by the way, am I the only one who thinks that given the selection of books amid the wreckage of the plane, this was the most literate passenger manifest in the history of air travel?? Not a DaVinci Code or a Harry Potter or a John Grisham among them???)
If they are dead and haunting the island, then perhaps all of LOST is simply a rip off of a film called SOLE SURVIVOR with William Shatner...
Ali is a fan, obviously, and from the sounds of it, cares deeply for the show. i admire his commitment to the TV series, but I'll stick with HEROES (which, if it starts getting silly, I'll drop like a rock)
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| ChocolateLady |
Posted - 06/15/2007 : 08:04:23
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Originally posted by thefoxboy
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
(I did like Gilligan's Island, but all the absurd stuff could be laughed away because it was a comedy. This just sounds more absurd than absurd.)
My favourite childhood show, I can't wait till thefoxcub gets to the age that we can sit together and watch all 3 seasons on DVD.
Really? I can think of many comedy shows that were better than that one, but to each his own.
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| thefoxboy |
Posted - 06/14/2007 : 23:57:43
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
(I did like Gilligan's Island, but all the absurd stuff could be laughed away because it was a comedy. This just sounds more absurd than absurd.)
My favourite childhood show, I can't wait till thefoxcub gets to the age that we can sit together and watch all 3 seasons on DVD. |
| randall |
Posted - 06/14/2007 : 23:44:18
I definitely don't think Jack and Kate are the only ones who left the island. The person in the casket [Sawyer?...unless Kate is now married to him!] most assuredly did too.
I just love (1) the tease, and (2) the understanding that all will be revealed. This isn't like THE SOPRANOS: you cannot cut to black to end this one. |
| Ali |
Posted - 06/12/2007 : 15:00:14
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Originally posted by benj clews
Having seen the finale, does anyone have any new theories on what's going on?
I had a couple more ideas besides the usual (it's aliens, it's the afterlife, etc...). One theory might be this is an alternate universe and if the outside world (i.e. our universe) were to make contact with them then, according to Ben, they would all die. He said this in such a way that it sounded like it was almost an instantaneous thing, in the same way that two universes co-existing where the same people (from the crashed plane) were both dead AND alive might rip apart the fabric of time and space. Okay- that's a long shot, but it's one theory... 
I don't think it's going to be as simple as "a rift in time" or "alternative universes." However, you might not be that far off. The person on the other end of the line when Jack makes the call at the end of the episode says his name is Minkowsky, which happens to be the name of an early twentieth century German mathematician-physicist who described time as a fourth dimension.
From Wikipedia: By 1907 Minkowski realized that the special theory of relativity, introduced by Einstein in 1905 and based on previous work of Lorentz and Poincar�, could be best understood in a four dimensional space, since known as "Minkowski spacetime", in which the time and space are not separated entities but intermingled in a four dimensional space-time, and in which the Lorentz geometry of special relativity can be nicely represented. The beginning part of his address delivered at the 80th Assembly of German Natural Scientists and Physicians (September 21, 1908) is now famous:
"The views of space and time which I wish to lay before you have sprung from the soil of experimental physics, and therein lies their strength. They are radical. Henceforth space by itself, and time by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an independent reality."
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Also, any theories on why the native who originally befriended Ben as a child looks exactly like one of the others?
He is the same person: Richard Alpert. Apart from Ben, the only significant Other to survive the evnts of the finale. Which prompts the question: Why hasn't he aged? And how and why did Ben become the Others' leader so much so that he is the only person to have ever seen Jacob?
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(Any theories on whose funeral is was that Jack attended, BTW?)
I have a feeling it's Michael. I am not sure if Jack and Kate aren't the only ones who have left the island, but it would make sense if Michael were in the casket (with his being the betrayer and all).
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| benj clews |
Posted - 06/12/2007 : 14:21:40
Having seen the finale, does anyone have any new theories on what's going on?
I had a couple more ideas besides the usual (it's aliens, it's the afterlife, etc...). One theory might be this is an alternate universe and if the outside world (i.e. our universe) were to make contact with them then, according to Ben, they would all die. He said this in such a way that it sounded like it was almost an instantaneous thing, in the same way that two universes co-existing where the same people (from the crashed plane) were both dead AND alive might rip apart the fabric of time and space. Okay- that's a long shot, but it's one theory...
Another thought I had was that perhaps the island is kind of a snapshot of time- like the people there are frozen in a moment somehow and if they die there then in the outside world (effectively the future) they also die. What put this in my mind was that the only one that Naomi (the girl who parachuted in from the outside world) tells about their own funeral back in the outside world is Charlie- the only person who died in this finale.
Next season, I'm putting my money on the survivors joining forces with the others (at least in the short term) against the outsiders. What happens as a result of them coming to the island will be what pushes Jack to suicide in the future- he can't deal with the fact he's responsible (i.e. making the call on the satellite phone) for everything that's to come (probably a lot of death).
Well, that's what I think anyway 
Also, any theories on why the native who originally befriended Ben as a child looks exactly like one of the others?
Loved the finale myself- it was a great whammy twisting time the *other* direction for once (Any theories on whose funeral is was that Jack attended, BTW?). The way the writers keep manipulating the story through jumps in time is what keeps me coming back (other stand-outs being the episode about the couple poisoning each other and the one where Juliet's real (or not) reason for switching sides is revealed).
I just wish I didn't have to wait another 3 seaons to find out what the answer behind all this is...  |
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