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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."
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 Posted - 01/03/2007 : 17:54:46
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Originally posted by GHcool
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Originally posted by R o � k G o 7 f
In the UK, it rhymes with "has", but stretched out.
I was under the impression that the British pronunciation rhymes with "pause."
Oh no it doesn't. It rhymes with "stars", with the weak English r sound, so almost "vahz".
I know, I actually speak the language. 
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Koli 
"Striving lackadaisically for perfection."
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Posted - 01/03/2007 : 20:13:14
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Originally posted by AIRBOLT
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The only charitable explanation I can think of is that if Salopian had just been watching Jools Holland's Hootenanny (forgive me if I didn't spell that right) he would probably have been feeling meanspirited with justification. Jools plays a mean piano but his New Year's Eve show is becoming so predictable and ghastly it would put a nun in a bad mood.
What the hell is Jools Holland's Hootenanny?
Jools Holland is a well established UK TV Presenter /musician who was once in the Band " Squeeze " ( not sure if they had any impact in the US ? ). He fronts a long running late night music show in the UK where an eclectic mixture of Bands play live. On New Year's Eve he fronts a " Hootenanny " which originally meanta Scottish New Year's Eve Party ( Holland is English BTW  )
On the other channels there were the usual never-ending shots of British Crowds getting off their faces while waiting for the fireworks and hoping they could walk the ten miles home!
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Jools knows a lot about music and generally chooses his guests well: this time Amy Winehouse was on (though she looked as though she wanted to be somewhere else), along with Sam Moore (of 'Sam & Dave' fame), Paul Weller (ex-Jam, Style Council etc), the brilliantly named Seasick Steve, Lily Allen, the Kooks, the Zutons etc. But he seems to have the same celeb guests every year - Roland Rivron, Lenny Henry, Jennifer Saunders, Dawn French et al - and he does the strangest 'interviews' with them. Normally calm, he can get quite testy when under pressure - such as when he was shooing off some bystanders, telling them he was trying to run a show. The fact that it's recorded well in advance means that the countdown to midnight and subsequent joyous whoops are about as genuine as Britney's threepenny bits. (Add that to your pronunciation puzzles, guys.  ) |
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Airbolt 
"teil mann, teil maschine"
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Posted - 04/25/2007 : 15:29:18
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OK - it's TV but i just saw an old episode of Frasier in which Antony LaPaglia appears as Daphne's brother. His " British" accent was just bizarre, with hints of Bob Hoskins and Parker from Thunderbirds. Mind you , the Moon family have a fabulous range of UK regional accents. Daphne's Manchester accent is very poor - and she's English! ( I think the actor who plays Frasiers father is actually from Manchester , ironically enough )
I seem to remember Robbie Coltrane , the Scottish actor/comedian turned up as another Brother with a very vague accent from nowhere in particular.
At least they didn't resort to the rather odd take on the British accent often heard in Buffy! My fave was the phrase " Shag off , you Rowley! " - What?? Tony Head kept the flag flying with his off-the-cuff Posh accent - altho his real accent is very blue collar.
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Downtown
"Welcome back, Billy Buck"
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Posted - 04/25/2007 : 16:41:44
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Manchester being a very working-class city, it's my understanding that its dialect is considered to be somewhat "unsophisticated," much like a Cockney or Liverpool accent. If an actor had taken extensive voice training to emphasize proper pronounciation, sometimes it can be difficult for them to then purposely mispronounce words in a working-class way. Look at Matt Damon: the guy actually grew up in South Boston, but anyone who's seen The Departed probably noticed that he's lost his Southie accent and can't seem to get it back anymore!
Of course, the better the actor, the easier it should be. But if I'm correct about the baggage that might come with a Manchester accent, I'm not surprised if an English actor or actress might have trouble affecting one.
Edit: obviously to most Americans it doesn't even matter...most think ALL English accents are "classy" and "sophisticated." |
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duh 
"catpurrs"
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Posted - 04/26/2007 : 04:47:41
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Originally posted by Downtown
Edit: obviously to most Americans it doesn't even matter...most think ALL English accents are "classy" and "sophisticated."
Is there still such a thing as a cockney accent? I recall a WW2 war bride from England who had a cockney accent...I guess. |
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thefoxboy 
"Four your eyes only."
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Posted - 04/26/2007 : 05:16:45
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Originally posted by AIRBOLT
OK - it's TV but i just saw an old episode of Frasier in which Antony LaPaglia appears as Daphne's brother.
He is one of my favourite tv characters. |
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Tori 
"I don't get it...."
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Posted - 04/26/2007 : 05:58:55
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Originally posted by redPen
I use the word "vahz" as a joke of class. I tell people that when you reach a certain income level (a specific number has yet to be determined) and you become "rich," the unwritten rules state that you must pronounce "vace" as "vahz." Similarly, anyone who calls their father "dad" splits into two groups when money is thrust upon them. Generally speaking, all males begin calling their fathers "fatha," and all females switch to "daddy."
These are the only income-related pronunciations I can conjure at this hour. I'll be back if more are thrust upon me.
Foyer and foy-yay |
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Tori
"I don't get it...."
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Posted - 04/26/2007 : 05:59:28
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Se�n
I wonder how long it will take Salopian to realise that there's a typo in the thread title? 
StaLean had already snidely pointed that out.
Ahahahahaha. I love you Salopian! |
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Beanmimo
"August review site"
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Posted - 04/26/2007 : 10:37:02
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Originally posted by Tori
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Originally posted by redPen
I use the word "vahz" as a joke of class. I tell people that when you reach a certain income level (a specific number has yet to be determined) and you become "rich," the unwritten rules state that you must pronounce "vace" as "vahz." Similarly, anyone who calls their father "dad" splits into two groups when money is thrust upon them. Generally speaking, all males begin calling their fathers "fatha," and all females switch to "daddy."
These are the only income-related pronunciations I can conjure at this hour. I'll be back if more are thrust upon me.
Foyer and foy-yay
cash/lolly/dough/yo-yo's/ etc
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"It's rude to talk about that in public" |
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Downtown
"Welcome back, Billy Buck"
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Posted - 04/26/2007 : 14:16:38
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Originally posted by duh-ck
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Originally posted by Downtown
Edit: obviously to most Americans it doesn't even matter...most think ALL English accents are "classy" and "sophisticated."
Is there still such a thing as a cockney accent? I recall a WW2 war bride from England who had a cockney accent...I guess.
Beats me. They all sound the same to me. 
Honestly, I don't even know where that is. It's a neighborhood, not a city, right? |
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Downtown
"Welcome back, Billy Buck"
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Posted - 04/26/2007 : 14:22:22
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Originally posted by Tori
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Originally posted by redPen
I use the word "vahz" as a joke of class. I tell people that when you reach a certain income level (a specific number has yet to be determined) and you become "rich," the unwritten rules state that you must pronounce "vace" as "vahz." Similarly, anyone who calls their father "dad" splits into two groups when money is thrust upon them. Generally speaking, all males begin calling their fathers "fatha," and all females switch to "daddy."
These are the only income-related pronunciations I can conjure at this hour. I'll be back if more are thrust upon me.
Foyer and foy-yay
See, I disagree. It has nothing to do with the income level of the person saying it. The "right" way to pronounce foyer or vase depends on how expensive the building or vase is. It's just that rich people tend to buy expensive things. |
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BaftaBaby
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 04/26/2007 : 15:10:45
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Originally posted by Downtown
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Originally posted by duh-ck
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Originally posted by Downtown
Edit: obviously to most Americans it doesn't even matter...most think ALL English accents are "classy" and "sophisticated."
Is there still such a thing as a cockney accent? I recall a WW2 war bride from England who had a cockney accent...I guess.
Beats me. They all sound the same to me.
Honestly, I don't even know where that is. It's a neighborhood, not a city, right?
'ello me old china! Course there's a cockney accent, me old sparra, me old cock! It's not a neighbourhood and it's not a city. It's a state of mind.
Technically if one were born within the sound of Bow Bells [which is the Church of St Mary le Bow, a corruption of beau] ... then one is classed as a cockney. Cockney rhyming slang is rich and wonderful. Viz above -- me old china = china plate = mate. Many websites await your perusal into this fab phenomenon of speech and idiom.
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Rovark
"Luck-pushing, rule-bending, chance-taking reviewer"
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Posted - 04/26/2007 : 18:04:05
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
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Originally posted by Downtown
Beats me. They all sound the same to me.
Honestly, I don't even know where that is. It's a neighborhood, not a city, right?
'ello me old china! Course there's a cockney accent, me old sparra, me old cock! It's not a neighbourhood and it's not a city. It's a state of mind.
Technically if one were born within the sound of Bow Bells [which is the Church of St Mary le Bow, a corruption of beau] ... then one is classed as a cockney. Cockney rhyming slang is rich and wonderful. Viz above -- me old china = china plate = mate. Many websites await your perusal into this fab phenomenon of speech and idiom.
Personally I'm classed as a South Londoner, having been born in Deptford - most famous for being the place Christopher Marlowe was killed in a tavern brawl. But my mum's a genuine Cockney. My dad's a Kentish-Man, something very different from a Man-Of-Kent. |
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turrell
"Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh "
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Posted - 04/26/2007 : 23:29:25
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Originally posted by Tori
Foyer and foy-yay
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Shiv 
"What a Wonderful World"
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Posted - 04/26/2007 : 23:58:00
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Originally posted by R o � k G o 7 f
Of course, we Canadians pronounce "sofa" as "chesterfield". And don't get us started on "lieutenent".
 I get laughed at for using the word 'sofa' in Australia. I've had people ask me what that is. 'Lounge' seems to be the word of choice over here - which I think suits the laid back Aussie style...Another word I get laughed at for using is 'duvet' - it's a 'doona' here. I don't mind being called a Pom and take the jokes without the obligatory 'whingeing'* - but I recently got my citizenship and now have a comeback of 'well, someone let me into the country, musta been a mistake, eh?'
*FYI for those who don't know, Pom is the word used to refer to English people (supposedly from 'Prisoner of her Majesty' which is disputed). The Aussies think that all Poms are 'whingers'. Not sure where that came from. Since I've got Irish heritage too I might have missed out on the whingeing gene |
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