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Montgomery 
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 Posted - 01/27/2007 : 04:04:57
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Originally posted by Salopian
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Originally posted by Shiv
That's why it is not just a portrayal of a real person and is good acting. Hoffman creates the character from the situation in the film. There are scenes where he ad-libs. That is an indication of how much an actor has developed a character. I believe this is much more than 'mimicking'.
This sounds like it is just a portrayal of a real person. I can buy that it is a better performance than Jones's if you like, but he definitely shouldn't have won the Oscar. He also seems like an utter twat.
Why not? Just because the person actually existed? That disqualifies a lot of performances, if you're going to put that screen on it.
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 01/28/2007 : 06:04:57
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Originally posted by Shiv
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Originally posted by Se�n
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Originally posted by Montgomery
Oscar Worthy? Really? What was so great about what either actress did with those roles? I just thought they were "okay."
Then the Oscar should have gone to one of the others:-
1998 ACTRESS IN A LEADING ROLE
Cate Blanchett -- Elizabeth {"Queen Elizabeth I"}
Fernanda Montenegro -- Central Station {"Dora"}
* Gwyneth Paltrow -- Shakespeare in Love {"Viola De Lesseps"}
Meryl Streep -- One True Thing {"Kate Gulden"}
Emily Watson -- Hilary and Jackie {"Jacqueline du Pr�"}
I can't see anyone more deserving, although some of these I haven't seen. 
Cate Blanchett for 'Elizabeth' by a mile. What was challenging about Paltrow's role in SIL? That's what I would look for in a performance.
Sorry I'm late on this but... no, neither Gwen nor Kate deserved it that year. The person who was totally robbed was Emily Watson!
(Or perhaps she should have gotten it for Breaking the Waves. Still, amazing performance in Hilary and Jackie, and she really is an amazing actress - highly underrated, if you ask me.)
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Stalean 
"Back...OMG"
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Posted - 01/29/2007 : 05:42:40
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| I saw all of the films that had nominations for Best Actor last year. I would have picked Joaquin Phoenix (Walk the Line) or Terrence Howard (Hustle & Flow) over Philip Seymour Hoffman. This is based strictly on their performances and nothing else. I thought Hoffman's performance wasn't any better than Ledger's, both affected a "voice" for their characters--that doesn't equate to Oscar-worthy acting. Phoenix affected a voice (musically and generally) with great nuanced acting. I love Philip Seymour Hoffman in most everything he acts in, but I didn't find his Capote role exceptional. |
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damalc
"last watched: Sausage Party"
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Posted - 01/31/2007 : 00:37:58
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sorry if i'm going to repeat something here but i just don't have time to read through all 6 pages right now.
i think the academy has a way of making up for blowing an award in earlier years. i present a couple of awards for great actors in great films who got make-up awards for other projects. the winning performances were good but nearly as good as some others.
Russell Crowe did not deserve the Oscar for "Gladiator," but he did for "The Insider" and "A Beautiful Mind."
Denzel Washington did not deserve the Oscar for "Training Day," but he did for "Malcolm X."
Al Pacino did not deserve the Oscar for "Scent of a Woman," but he did for "Godfather," and "Godfather II."
Sean Penn probably did deserve the Oscar for "Mystic River," but he should've gotten awards for "I Am Sam," and "Carlito's Way."
i predict make-up awards for Don Cheadle and Terrence Howard soon. |
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Shiv 
"What a Wonderful World"
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Posted - 02/09/2007 : 12:30:25
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| I'll be interested to see if Forest Whitaker gets the Oscar this year and what people will think if he does/doesn't |
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Montgomery
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Posted - 02/14/2007 : 16:10:10
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Originally posted by damalc
sorry if i'm going to repeat something here but i just don't have time to read through all 6 pages right now.
i think the academy has a way of making up for blowing an award in earlier years. i present a couple of awards for great actors in great films who got make-up awards for other projects. the winning performances were good but nearly as good as some others.
Russell Crowe did not deserve the Oscar for "Gladiator," but he did for "The Insider" and "A Beautiful Mind."
Denzel Washington did not deserve the Oscar for "Training Day," but he did for "Malcolm X."
Al Pacino did not deserve the Oscar for "Scent of a Woman," but he did for "Godfather," and "Godfather II."
Sean Penn probably did deserve the Oscar for "Mystic River," but he should've gotten awards for "I Am Sam," and "Carlito's Way."
i predict make-up awards for Don Cheadle and Terrence Howard soon.
Correction: Sean Penn deserved the Oscar for Dead Man Walking. But, I thought he was good in Mystic River as well. Although, not as good as Tim Robbins.
EM :)
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Downtown 
"Welcome back, Billy Buck"
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Posted - 02/14/2007 : 17:00:43
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
(Or perhaps [Emily Watson] should have gotten it for Breaking the Waves.
Perhaps, but the subject matter of that film makes it impossible for it to get into the mainstream, and the Oscars is really more about popularity than "who's the best." Watson wasn't up against Frances McDormand and Kristin Scott Thomas, she was up against Fargo and The English Patient.
She was beaten before anyone even casted a vote. |
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BaftaBaby 
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 02/14/2007 : 17:48:50
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Originally posted by Downtown
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
(Or perhaps [Emily Watson] should have gotten it for Breaking the Waves.
Perhaps, but the subject matter of that film makes it impossible for it to get into the mainstream, and the Oscars is really more about popularity than "who's the best." Watson wasn't up against Frances McDormand and Kristin Scott Thomas, she was up against Fargo and The English Patient.
She was beaten before anyone even casted a vote.
McDormand deserves the award every year whether she's been in anything or not   
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 02/14/2007 : 20:13:43
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Originally posted by Downtown
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
(Or perhaps [Emily Watson] should have gotten it for Breaking the Waves.
Perhaps, but the subject matter of that film makes it impossible for it to get into the mainstream, and the Oscars is really more about popularity than "who's the best." Watson wasn't up against Frances McDormand and Kristin Scott Thomas, she was up against Fargo and The English Patient.
She was beaten before anyone even casted a vote.
Hm... okay, I'll give you Fargo but The English Patient was the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen in my life. I will NEVER understand why everyone thought it was so fantastic.
(Yes, I'm prejudiced. But if you had read the book, you'd agree with me - as everyone who has read the book does. Ondaatje's novel was poetry, an amazing masterpiece that mixed imagry and language into the most velvet of stories I've ever read. Hollywood turned it into pablum. Shame on them!)
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Downtown
"Welcome back, Billy Buck"
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Posted - 02/14/2007 : 22:47:23
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I hated the English Patient, and at times felt like Elaine in Seinfeld, where she ends up being ostracized by people who act as though she's Hitler just because she doesn't like it.
But the point is, it was a runaway hit, so much so that the few people who admit to disliking it are looked at like they're lunatics. Movies like that clean up at the Oscars, even if they really suck. I seem to remember some piece of poo about a boat sinking... |
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Montgomery
"F**k!"
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Posted - 02/14/2007 : 22:49:48
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
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Originally posted by Downtown
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
(Or perhaps [Emily Watson] should have gotten it for Breaking the Waves.
Perhaps, but the subject matter of that film makes it impossible for it to get into the mainstream, and the Oscars is really more about popularity than "who's the best." Watson wasn't up against Frances McDormand and Kristin Scott Thomas, she was up against Fargo and The English Patient.
She was beaten before anyone even casted a vote.
Hm... okay, I'll give you Fargo but The English Patient was the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen in my life. I will NEVER understand why everyone thought it was so fantastic.
(Yes, I'm prejudiced. But if you had read the book, you'd agree with me - as everyone who has read the book does. Ondaatje's novel was poetry, an amazing masterpiece that mixed imagry and language into the most velvet of stories I've ever read. Hollywood turned it into pablum. Shame on them!)
I agree. That's why my four word film review was: "Just die already!"
I HATED that movie.
EM :) |
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Montgomery
"F**k!"
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Posted - 02/14/2007 : 22:54:41
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Originally posted by Downtown
I hated the English Patient, and at times felt like Elaine in Seinfeld, where she ends up being ostracized by people who act as though she's Hitler just because she doesn't like it.
But the point is, it was a runaway hit, so much so that the few people who admit to disliking it are looked at like they're lunatics. Movies like that clean up at the Oscars, even if they really suck. I seem to remember some piece of poo about a boat sinking...
That movie, as well, was complete dreck! I screamed at the TV screen full of beautifully-dressed actors and actresses at the Oscars when that film won all the awards it did.
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Shiv
"What a Wonderful World"
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Posted - 02/14/2007 : 23:29:14
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Originally posted by Montgomery
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
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Originally posted by Downtown
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
(Or perhaps [Emily Watson] should have gotten it for Breaking the Waves.
Perhaps, but the subject matter of that film makes it impossible for it to get into the mainstream, and the Oscars is really more about popularity than "who's the best." Watson wasn't up against Frances McDormand and Kristin Scott Thomas, she was up against Fargo and The English Patient.
She was beaten before anyone even casted a vote.
Hm... okay, I'll give you Fargo but The English Patient was the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen in my life. I will NEVER understand why everyone thought it was so fantastic.
(Yes, I'm prejudiced. But if you had read the book, you'd agree with me - as everyone who has read the book does. Ondaatje's novel was poetry, an amazing masterpiece that mixed imagry and language into the most velvet of stories I've ever read. Hollywood turned it into pablum. Shame on them!)
I agree. That's why my four word film review was: "Just die already!"
I HATED that movie.
EM :)
Just off to vote on that review. So happy to hear that I wasn't keeping a dirty little secret. I finally managed to watch it through to the end, after several aborted attempts, about 5 months ago - just so I could say had I had watched it all the way through and still hated it! |
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Shiv
"What a Wonderful World"
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Posted - 02/14/2007 : 23:34:54
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Originally posted by BaftaBabe
McDormand deserves the award every year whether she's been in anything or not
Ain't that the truth |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 02/15/2007 : 06:25:42
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Originally posted by Montgomery
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Originally posted by Downtown
I hated the English Patient, and at times felt like Elaine in Seinfeld, where she ends up being ostracized by people who act as though she's Hitler just because she doesn't like it.
But the point is, it was a runaway hit, so much so that the few people who admit to disliking it are looked at like they're lunatics. Movies like that clean up at the Oscars, even if they really suck. I seem to remember some piece of poo about a boat sinking...
That movie, as well, was complete dreck! I screamed at the TV screen full of beautifully-dressed actors and actresses at the Oscars when that film won all the awards it did.
EM :)
See, I've never been embarassed to say that I thought The English Patient was dreck. I don't care if people think I'm nuts. If they do, all I have to do is show them the book and after reading one paragraph... they're on my side.
Now... who wants to insult Titanic?
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