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duh 
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 Posted - 07/07/2007 : 16:10:31
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Sean 
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 07/07/2007 : 23:34:21
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A  and a  to BiggerBoat's hilarious comments in red. I thought about doing something like that, but BB did it about a million times better than I could.  |
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GHcool
"Forever a curious character."
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Posted - 07/08/2007 : 05:00:30
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Originally posted by Se�n
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Originally posted by GHcool
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Originally posted by Se�n
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Originally posted by Conan The Westy
The Coalition of the Willing should be renamed the Coalition of the Willing to be Blamed for Everything.
No, only the things that they do that are wrong. Which is quite a lot. 
The U.S. might not be doing as much as they should in Darfur, but haven't heard about New Zealanders taking action either.
I lived in that part of the world for a few years. My recommendations for Darfur? One of these:-
a) Invade and occupy for a couple of centuries "until the job is done" (cf. Iraq), or,
b) Do nothing
Three two one guess(es) which I think is the right move. Depressing? Yep.
Sean's conclusion doesn't follow from your premises:
(1) If the United States "does nothing" with reference to the genocide in Darfur, then, in Sean's opinion, the United States does not deserve criticism on this issue.
(2) The United States is doing nothing with reference to the genocide in Darfur.
Therefore, (3) in Sean's opinion, the United States does not deserve criticism.
Somehow, out of these premises, Sean got the conclusion that the United States does deserve criticism on this issue. Personally, I agree with this conclusion, but only because I do not accept Sean's premises (and, evidently, neither does Sean). |
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Sean
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 07/08/2007 : 05:59:59
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Sorry, GHcool, but I don't recall criticising the USA for anything that it has done or not done in Darfur.  Unless I wrote something in my sleep that I've totally forgotten about. Are you imagining something or have I forgotten something?
Just to make it clear: I have no criticism whatsoever for the USA (or anyone else) for refusing to do anything about Darfur. |
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GHcool
"Forever a curious character."
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Posted - 07/08/2007 : 07:55:27
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Originally posted by Se�n
Sorry, GHcool, but I don't recall criticising the USA for anything that it has done or not done in Darfur. Unless I wrote something in my sleep that I've totally forgotten about. Are you imagining something or have I forgotten something?
Just to make it clear: I have no criticism whatsoever for the USA (or anyone else) for refusing to do anything about Darfur.
Hmmm. Upon reading the chain of postings and responses, it looks like I must have misinterpreted something. I assumed that when you agreed with Conan's statement that "The Coalition of the Willing should be renamed the Coalition of the Willing to be Blamed for Everything," by responding, "No, only the things that they do that are wrong," I thought you were also agreeing with his statement that "No matter what it does the US gets criticised. ... if it holds back in Darfur it's ignoring a humanitarian crisis." I interpreted your agreement with Conan's statement as saying, "Yes, the U.S. deserves the criticism it is getting because it's ignoring a humanitarian crisis." On a closer rereading, I see I misunderstood what was being said, so please accept my appologies.   |
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Sean
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 07/08/2007 : 11:54:49
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Originally posted by GHcool
On a closer re-reading, I see I misunderstood what was being said, so please accept my apologies.
Hey, no worries. 
I tend to keep my thoughts on Africa to myself (if possible), as I went there as an optimist and left three years later as a pessimist. 
If I criticise the USA it tends to be restricted to:-
a) Iraq catastrophe 
b) Guantanamo evil and hypocrisy
c) Those who had the opportunity to remove an incompetent and dangerous liar from office and didn't
and that's about it. I can't think of anything else that's worthy of a mention. Note that those three issues are post-2000. And in the interim, the USA has:-
a) Made a lot of good movies (and a lot of crap ones, but I don't care as I don't watch them  )
b) Made a lot of useful software that I use and couldn't imagine living without
c) Put Paris Hilton in jail 
and prior to 2000
a) Produced the best painter ever (Jackson Pollock)
b) Invented the PC
c) Helped stop the spread of evil in Kosovo
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duh
"catpurrs"
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Posted - 07/08/2007 : 16:07:40
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Originally posted by Se�n
And in the interim, the USA has:-
a) Made a lot of good movies (and a lot of crap ones, but I don't care as I don't watch them )
b) Made a lot of useful software that I use and couldn't imagine living without
c) Put Paris Hilton in jail
and prior to 2000
a) Produced the best painter ever (Jackson Pollock)
b) Invented the PC
c) Helped stop the spread of evil in Kosovo
etc etc.
And among the things New Zealand has given us
a) Ernest Rutherford
b) Kiri Te Kanawa
c) Peter Jackson
d) and one damn fine Four Word Film Reviewer |
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ChocolateLady 
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 07/08/2007 : 17:07:04
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Originally posted by Se�n
b) Made a lot of useful software that I use and couldn't imagine living without
Hm... I wonder just how much of that software was actually developed in Israel for US companies or were just sold to US companies for distribution?
(For instance, that PC of yours probably has an Intel chip inside it. If so, that chip was developed for them by their Israeli employees at their Israeli plant. Let's not even mention things like instant messaging, voice mail, SMS messaging, and much, much more.)
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duh
"catpurrs"
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Posted - 07/08/2007 : 18:00:58
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
Let's not even mention things like instant messaging, voice mail, SMS messaging, and much, much more.
Israelis are talkative? |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 06:44:28
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Originally posted by duh
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
Let's not even mention things like instant messaging, voice mail, SMS messaging, and much, much more.
Israelis are talkative?
You got that right, seriously. Israelis have one of the highest numbers of cell phones per capita in the world. And of course, ICQ, SMS, Voice Mail, and a large portion of the technology for our precious cell phones were all invented here.
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randall 
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 13:42:06
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| Sorry I missed the online festivities. Yep, the US is certainly a convenient punching bag for those from other climes [especially with a clown and bully presently at the helm], but there are plenty of glass houses out there too. For all its faults, I'm glad I'm an American every single day. |
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Beanmimo 
"August review site"
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Posted - 07/09/2007 : 17:34:01
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Yes much belated Happy Birthday Uncle Sam and all his nieces and nephews.
Throughout the hundred and fifty years after American Independence an approximation of 1,000,000 irish men and women escaped the poverty and disease ridden land that was Ireland (many went to Canada, UK and Australia as well).
So Ireland has a part to play in the building up of your country (especially the east coast of course).
This was repaid no more so by Bill Clinton with his role in the Northern Ireland Peace Process and the amount of foreign investment throughout the nineties that created the Celtic Tiger. (The German Mark amongst other ecomonic influences are not to be ignored either)
AND STILL people here gripe about the Americans and how hollow the country is, how unfriendly we have become.
Is it better than 1992 when we had the secon highest umenployment rate in the eu of 17.8% and people were still leaving for the States (my two brothers included). Today unemployment is 4%
The older generation are giving out that the Irish don't knoe what it's like to live through a recession and they should be careful. So what they are saying is that they want their children to go without luxuries because they did. This is a little unfair. Take it while you can.
Now the abuse of this with borrowing at it's highest will burn a few but they will learn their lesson. So be it. They have been warned.
So thanks America for helping to giving us a little wealth!!
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