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BiggerBoat 
"Pass me the harpoon"
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 Posted - 07/24/2007 : 22:43:46
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Originally posted by thefoxboy
Most circumcisions today, in Australia, are done only so the boy can be like dad.
Do they still cut your vestigial tails off aswell? |
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Sean 
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 00:52:33
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Originally posted by duh
I acknowledge that whether to circumcise baby boys is a private decision.
That's no skin off my nose... |
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w22dheartlivie 
"Kitty Lover"
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 02:38:57
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Originally posted by Se�n
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Originally posted by duh
I acknowledge that whether to circumcise baby boys is a private decision.
That's no skin off my nose...
At times like this, I SO wish we had a groan smilie |
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GHcool
"Forever a curious character."
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 03:28:25
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| I can think of a hundred things that are more unethical a parent can do to a child then male circumcision. Although I have no way of proving this, I suspect that most circumcized males are greatful (or at least not angry) about being circumcized once they reach adulthood. |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 05:46:57
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I can't believe this topic has gone on to a second page!
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Sean
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 05:49:49
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
I can't believe this topic has gone on to a second page!
You think we should nip it in the bud? |
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ChocolateLady
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 07:51:31
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Originally posted by Se�n
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
I can't believe this topic has gone on to a second page!
You think we should nip it in the bud?
It should have been cut off from the start! |
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Sal[Au]pian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 09:16:24
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
Let me stop you right there. "Deeply culturally entrenched" is very right. That's why it is best for everyone to decide what's best for themselves and/or their children in this matter. It would also be best not to judge people for what they decide to do or not do.
I still don't agree, I'm afraid. I realise that this is a sensitive issue as it is a very long established tradition in Judaism (and Islam), but I still feel that there are overriding principles at hand. I just cannot see that cutting off human beings' body parts without their permission (or specific medical need) can be justified for cultural reasons. Do you consider female circumcision acceptable? That is done for cultural reasons just the same. |
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Sal[Au]pian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 09:20:15
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Originally posted by MisterBadIdea
Any guy who goes around feeling like they missed out on something worth noticing because their parents had his dick snipped a little clearly doesn't have enough to do with their time.
That is simply not a reasonable thing to say. Sure, it's not as bad as having most other body parts removed, but it does make some difference (sensitivity is much reduced; sometimes there is unattractive scarring), so anyone who wants to object to it having been done to them has every right. |
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Sal[Au]pian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 09:25:40
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Originally posted by GHcool
Although I have no way of proving this, I suspect that most circumcized males are greatful (or at least not angry) about being circumcized once they reach adulthood.
I think most don't mind. I doubt they are grateful, since in cultures (like Britain) where few babies are circumcised, few adults choose to be (even though this can be done with anaesthetic etc.). Even if many were grateful, this is no reason to circumcise en masse, since those ones could choose circumcision in adulthood rather than impose it on the majority.
I don't want to go on and on about this, as it's not an issue that's strongly in my consciousness, but I will feel obliged to respond to any new points if they are posted here, because philosophically it seems like such a clear-cut issue to me. People's bodies belong to themselves alone. |
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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 09:43:17
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A clear-cut issue 
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Downtown 
"Welcome back, Billy Buck"
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 13:52:33
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Originally posted by Salopian
it does make some difference (sensitivity is much reduced)
There's no consensus on that at all, but the most meaningful studies - surveying men who've experienced sexual intercourse both before and after - suggest the opposite...although they're not conclusive.
Anyway, let's not lose our heads over this. |
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Sal[Au]pian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 16:40:30
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Originally posted by Downtown
There's no consensus on that at all, but the most meaningful studies - surveying men who've experienced sexual intercourse both before and after - suggest the opposite...although they're not conclusive.
Sure, I certainly cannot be definitive about this, although they must have to pull their underwear up very carefully if this is the case. Further, I bet these men have not been questioned around twenty years after their circumcisions, and the delicate areas were also protected while they were developing and thus when one might suppose the sensitivity level might be most likely to be affected.
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Anyway, let's not lose our heads over this.
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Beanmimo
"August review site"
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 17:04:06
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I'm answering no questions after this.
I would have prefered to I have gone through this as an infant but due to a similar cultural view of it as the UK it was only BROUGHT UP when the TOPic became necessary and I spent a very uncomfortable week in my 25th year wearing very LOOSE trousers.
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BaftaBaby 
"Always entranced by cinema."
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Posted - 07/25/2007 : 17:33:19
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I'm reluctant to get into a competition of who's slept with more men than whom ... but let's just say that for a non-professional I've seen quite a selection of variously decorated male members on two continents: 4-5 US states, a US territory and about a dozen European countries including from Gallic, Slavic, Nordic, and Latin countries. Most of the men were born Catholic and Protestant, a couple of African descent, a few Jews and one Muslim.
So, in my experience over some 4-5 decades most men are circumcized - including in the UK. None expressed any dissatisfaction with their "condition," and ...
SPOILER WARNING, gentle little ears please turn away now ...
imho - the sperm of circumcized men tastes better
while most men have mastered genital hygiene, too many haven't - I blame the parents!
careless uncircumcized men are more likely to collect smegma deposits - not a great addition to the chat-up line follow-through
and, from the distaff side - I've never noticed any difference once the train has entered the tunnel if you catch my euphemism.
I'm just saying ...
Oh, I forgot - female [or clitoral] circumcision has entirely different origins from the male cut. The latter was traditionally performed for health reasons, whereas the former is about control, about assuring sex for women is not a pleasure. I once worked on a radio documentary about the subject with interviews of girls and women who'd been forced to have the operation. Not one of them ever experienced pain-free intercourse and none had ever been able to have an orgasm for all their lives. I don't know what the official line is these days, but those women were convinced it was another way which husbands made sure their wives wouldn't commit adultry. One woman - in her late 60's - couldn't help crying as she compared female circumcision to medieval chastity belts.
Somehow, those women didn't seem to me to be in the same category as men whose parents and/or doctors chose the removal of some skin which has no effect either on fertility or sexual pleasure.
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circumcision controversies
