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Montgomery 
"F**k!"
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 Posted - 09/25/2007 : 20:35:31
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I think ice cream is proof of God's existence. But then, I really like ice cream! 
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Cheese_Ed 
"The Provolone Ranger"
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Posted - 09/25/2007 : 23:12:30
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Fruity explanation lacks apeel. |
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BiggerBoat 
"Pass me the harpoon"
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Posted - 09/25/2007 : 23:54:08
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Originally posted by Montgomery
I think ice cream is proof of God's existence. But then, I really like ice cream!
EM :)
I'm lactose intolerant. A condition given to me by the devil. |
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GHcool 
"Forever a curious character."
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Posted - 09/26/2007 : 05:47:17
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Originally posted by BiggerBoat
Amazing that you can watch something on youTube that reminds you quite how medieval most people are in the way they think.
This argument may contain logical fallacies, but it isn't medievel. It is more or less a retred of William Paley's "watchmaker analogy" proposed at the turn of the 19th century. It states that if one finds a watch on the floor, one would assume that the watch was created by an intelligent designer because of how intricately, precisely, and brilliantly the parts move in unison to create a whole object. The conclusion is that someone looking at the universe's component parts (or a banana's) would assume similarly that it was made by an Intelligent Designer.
The analogy has been and continues to be severely challenged by philosophers since it was first proposed. The truth is that it is not a bad analogy from the point of view of somebody who already believes in an Intelligent Designer of the universe, but it is a poor tool in convincing a skeptic. Far from an "athiest's nightmare." |
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MguyX
"X marks the spot"
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Posted - 09/26/2007 : 08:44:34
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Huh? I thought watches were a cosmic accident.  |
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Whippersnapper. 
"A fourword thinking guy."
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Posted - 09/26/2007 : 09:24:56
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I always thought the watchmaker analogy was just a wind-up. |
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BiggerBoat
"Pass me the harpoon"
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Posted - 09/26/2007 : 12:59:44
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Originally posted by GHcool
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Originally posted by BiggerBoat
Amazing that you can watch something on youTube that reminds you quite how medieval most people are in the way they think.
This argument may contain logical fallacies, but it isn't medievel. It is more or less a retred of William Paley's "watchmaker analogy" proposed at the turn of the 19th century. It states that if one finds a watch on the floor, one would assume that the watch was created by an intelligent designer because of how intricately, precisely, and brilliantly the parts move in unison to create a whole object. The conclusion is that someone looking at the universe's component parts (or a banana's) would assume similarly that it was made by an Intelligent Designer.
The analogy has been and continues to be severely challenged by philosophers since it was first proposed. The truth is that it is not a bad analogy from the point of view of somebody who already believes in an Intelligent Designer of the universe, but it is a poor tool in convincing a skeptic. Far from an "athiest's nightmare."
I meant medieval as in the definition 'old-fashioned; unenlightened', but I hear what you're saying - that the intelligent design concept is relatively recent.
Strangely enough I do have leaning towards the intelligent design concept myself, but not in the sense of one all powerful creator of the universe. I've read a lot about anthropology and the inconsistencies of our evolution. Current thinking suggests that modern man began, suddenly, in five different parts of the world at the same time. This doesn't make sense in evolutionary terms - we should have begun in one place and spread out. Unless we were 'placed'.
There are also the ancient artefacts and monuments around the world that required engineering skills that can barely be matched today - the dating of these buildings suggest that some of them could be up to 15000 years old. How could we regress so much and only be catching up now? Or were these buildings 'intelligently designed' too?
There are lots of questions that we haven't begun to answer, but to dedicate everything to one all powerful being is too simplified - a cop-out that we no longer have to rely on with our modern technology. Hopefully some of the real answers will start coming out in the next few years, as long as the Vatican hit squad don't suppress it... |
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Sal[Au]pian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 09/26/2007 : 13:01:11
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LOL, that is hilarious.
Does this mean that God doesn't want parrots eating bananas, because they do not fit their claws and beaks in the same way?!
And what are the implications for God when bananas go extinct?!  |
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turrell
"Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh "
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Posted - 09/26/2007 : 16:25:15
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Originally posted by GHcool
This argument may contain logical fallacies, but it isn't medievel. It is more or less a retred of William Paley's "watchmaker analogy" proposed at the turn of the 19th century. It states that if one finds a watch on the floor, one would assume that the watch was created by an intelligent designer because of how intricately, precisely, and brilliantly the parts move in unison to create a whole object. The conclusion is that someone looking at the universe's component parts (or a banana's) would assume similarly that it was made by an Intelligent Designer.
The analogy has been and continues to be severely challenged by philosophers since it was first proposed. The truth is that it is not a bad analogy from the point of view of somebody who already believes in an Intelligent Designer of the universe, but it is a poor tool in convincing a skeptic. Far from an "athiest's nightmare."
See that would have been a lot better analogy than the banana which does not grow naturally in most parts of the world. |
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ragingfluff 
"Currently lost in Canada"
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Posted - 09/28/2007 : 22:38:06
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For me, there's no question that Alicia Silverstone is proof of God's existen-
Oops, wrong thread
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rockfsh
"Laugh, Love, Cheer"
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Posted - 09/28/2007 : 23:50:41
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| I'd believe that bananas are proof of God's existance only if bananas came with pi to 10 places naturally inscribed on their peels. |
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Bananas: The Atheist's Nightmare
