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RockGolf 
"1500+ reviews. 1 joke."
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 Posted - 06/10/2009 : 22:13:53
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An 89-year-old White Supremacist walked into the Holocaust Museum in Washington, pulled out a rifle and killed a guard before being shot himself.
This is just another example of right-wing terrorism that is being stoked by organizations like FOX News. The nutjob was a vehement anti-Obama protester, and believed the right-wing propaganda that Obama was actually born in Kenya, not Hawaii. Propaganda spread, in large part, by FOX.
This follows on the heels of the murder of an abortion doctor, and another cop in Philadelphia murdered by a loonie who was sure Obama was going to take his guns away.
How many people have to DIE before FOX backs down on it's increasingly more radical agenda? I'm sadly afraid it will take an assassination attempt on the President or his family, but I fear it won't be just an attempt. |
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duh 
"catpurrs"
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Posted - 06/10/2009 : 23:45:25
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So, the evil perpetrated by radical far right wing loonies is the fault of conservatives such as myself? Are YOU responsible for the evil perpetrated by far left wing radical loonies?
Bullshit.
ETA: Blaming Fox News is just plain silly. |
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ChocolateLady 
"500 Chocolate Delights"
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Posted - 06/11/2009 : 06:20:58
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| Duh is right - you can't blame FOX for this one. Anyone so stupid at the age of 89 who thinks that Obama could have made it through the whole campaign and election while not complying with the law that insists the US president be born in the USA, is so demented, moronic or both that he probably needs to be put in a prison for the criminally stupid! |
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Sal[Au]pian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 06/16/2009 : 01:11:22
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Originally posted by ChocolateLady
Duh is right - you can't blame FOX for this one. Anyone so stupid at the age of 89 who thinks that Obama could have made it through the whole campaign and election while not complying with the law that insists the US president be born in the USA, is so demented, moronic or both that he probably needs to be put in a prison for the criminally stupid!
Well, he's certainly to blame for the crime, but if RockGolf is right that Fox News did say that, then it is possibly their fault that he thought it.
Seems like a stupid law anyway. Sounds like some Americans are more equal than others. |
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randall 
"I like to watch."
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Posted - 06/16/2009 : 02:31:07
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When Bill O'Reilly castigates this "Baby Killer" 29 times in two years [does "If I could ever get my hands on him..." sound like *reporting*? That's an O'Reilly quote!], he cannot wash himself clean by saying he didn't really mean it.
Not every viewer of Fox News, nor every Limbaugh listener, nor every ex-Bush executive, nor every former Speaker, is a nutjob. But the pandering millionaire blowhards on the other side of the microphone ought to take a sincere stare into the mirror tomorrow morning. Not that I expect that of *any* of those cowardly, draft-dodging pieces of shit. |
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BiggerBoat 
"Pass me the harpoon"
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Posted - 06/16/2009 : 17:29:40
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I can see why the Republicans have such an issue with Obama. He has gone against the modern template of a successful politician: He resolutely refuses to line his own pockets, protect the 'establishment' from the people (or 'citizens'), declare war on any other country with an abundance of natural resources, continually lie, etc etc
That said, I was sent this link to an article comparing Obama's latest speech with one of Hitler's by the most politically astute person I know, so who's to say?
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duh
"catpurrs"
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Posted - 06/16/2009 : 22:34:52
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Originally posted by randall
When Bill O'Reilly castigates this "Baby Killer" 29 times in two years [does "If I could ever get my hands on him..." sound like *reporting*? That's an O'Reilly quote!], he cannot wash himself clean by saying he didn't really mean it.
Not every viewer of Fox News, nor every Limbaugh listener, nor every ex-Bush executive, nor every former Speaker, is a nutjob. But the pandering millionaire blowhards on the other side of the microphone ought to take a sincere stare into the mirror tomorrow morning. Not that I expect that of *any* of those cowardly, draft-dodging pieces of shit.
I don't know the quotation you refer to or the context of it. I did watch one O'Reilly program recently where he talked about the murder of Tiller, and in that program, he was very definite about how he thinks murder is wrong, whether of someone like Tiller, or of viable full term fetuses.
One thing I was wondering about, is what were the specific circumstances of the late term abortions done by Tiller? Where they of severely deformed children, such as Treachers Collins sufferers that literally had only gaping holes in place of faces? I think perhaps some prolifers picture that all abortions are of adorable, healthy, normal, chubby little cherubs.
ETA: I found this true story that gives a heartrending example of why late term abortion may sadly sometimes be necessary: http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=22002
Here are more stories: http://aheartbreakingchoice.com/index.html
It would be interesting to see O'Reilly's response if one of his guests would ask him what he would choose to do in such a case.
I had a friend who was pro-life. For her, the movement was a way to meet people and make friends.  |
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turrell
"Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh "
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Posted - 06/16/2009 : 23:50:57
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I don't watch Fox News, nor do I watch MSNBC - can't stand either end of the spectrum. If someone posions Dick Cheney, do we blame Wanda Sykes - do we blame David Letterman if some Governor's teenage daughter get's pregnant?
Von Brunn certainly didn't watch FOX News decades ago when he tried to kidnap members of the Federal Reserve Board, so I imagine he didn't need FOX News to convince him that the Holocaust never happened - he probably believed that 60 years ago.
Sometimes people are crazy and evil and they don't need someone to tell them what to do - the voices in their heads are ample.
As to BiggerBoat's assertion that Obama is some kind of radical change - its way too early to tell - even Bush hadn't put us in any wars 5 month's in to his presidency. Obama has lined his pockets with books - earning millions on them since he became a high profile Senator and later President. But again to early to tell how different he is as a President.
On Salopian's idea that it is a "stupid law" to require that US Presidents are Naturally Born - its part of our constitution, as a nation of immigrants, we naturally leave ourselves vunerable to interests of other countries because the vast majority of our citizens have roots elsewhwere, so this is to ensure that our President is sufficiently American - we wouldn't want an Austrian born Cyborg to gain control of Skynet or something. |
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Sean
"Necrosphenisciform anthropophagist."
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Posted - 06/16/2009 : 23:52:30
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Originally posted by BiggerBoat
That said, I was sent this link to an article comparing Obama's latest speech with one of Hitler's by the most politically astute person I know, so who's to say?
Well I suppose there's no reason why Obama can't be a black Nazi Muslim terrorist. 
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Sal[Au]pian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 06/17/2009 : 00:15:52
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Originally posted by turrell
On Salopian's idea that it is a "stupid law" to require that US Presidents are Naturally Born - its part of our constitution, as a nation of immigrants, we naturally leave ourselves vunerable to interests of other countries because the vast majority of our citizens have roots elsewhwere, so this is to ensure that our President is sufficiently American - we wouldn't want an Austrian born Cyborg to gain control of Skynet or something.
Everywhere is a nation of immigrants these days and most places don't have such laws. The point is that if citizenship is given to someone, then it shouldn't be a second-class citizenship that comes with exceptions. That, and talking up being a "nation of immigrants", creates needless barriers. Being born elsewhere would be a sufficient political disadvantage that a legal veto makes little difference. What if someone is born to American parents on a trip to Canada, say? They could be the best possible candidate and yet they would be stupidly ruled out.
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duh
"catpurrs"
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Posted - 06/17/2009 : 00:56:24
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Originally posted by turrell
this is to ensure that our President is sufficiently American - we wouldn't want an Austrian born Cyborg to gain control of Skynet or something.
OK, I vote for this as the best post of this topic so far! |
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BiggerBoat
"Pass me the harpoon"
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Posted - 06/17/2009 : 01:43:41
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Originally posted by duh Improper Username
I had a friend who was pro-life. For her, the movement was a way to meet people and make friends.
That's the problem, so many people get involved in so many issues for all the wrong reasons. Pro-life isn't the worst thing to get involved in (imagine if Duh had substituted 'pro-life' with 'Nazi party', 'KKK', or 'holocaust deniers' - "I don't agree with everything they say but they do serve wonderful cake...") but surely it's got to be for the right reason.
I'm pro-life. I'd like everyone to live, and live well. I'd like to live in a world where abortion isn't necessary, but unfortunately, at the moment, it is. There's a very good book called Freakonomics which talks about how a huge surge in crime was predicted in America in the early 90s. But instead it dropped and no one could work out why. Then someone realised it was because abortion had been legalised some twenty years before and all the potential criminals from broken homes had not come to be, they'd been aborted. And, in fact, the murder rate dropped off, so, in effect, abortions had saved people's lives. |
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Sal[Au]pian
"Four ever European"
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Posted - 06/17/2009 : 02:01:13
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Originally posted by BiggerBoat
There's a very good book called Freakonomics which talks about how a huge surge in crime was predicted in America in the early 90s. But instead it dropped and no one could work out why. Then someone realised it was because abortion had been legalised some twenty years before and all the potential criminals from broken homes had not come to be, they'd been aborted. And, in fact, the murder rate dropped off, so, in effect, abortions had saved people's lives.
Freakonomics is one of those books I keep meaning to get around to reading. I've got to admit that that is the closest to a convincing argument for allowing abortion that I have ever heard. |
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lemmycaution
"Long mired in film"
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Posted - 06/17/2009 : 03:49:55
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turrell
"Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh Ohhhh "
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Posted - 06/17/2009 : 16:05:49
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Originally posted by Salopian
Everywhere is a nation of immigrants these days and most places don't have such laws. The point is that if citizenship is given to someone, then it shouldn't be a second-class citizenship that comes with exceptions. That, and talking up being a "nation of immigrants", creates needless barriers. Being born elsewhere would be a sufficient political disadvantage that a legal veto makes little difference. What if someone is born to American parents on a trip to Canada, say? They could be the best possible candidate and yet they would be stupidly ruled out.
For starters, exactly how many British Prime Ministers are of non-British heritage - I'm guessing none but certainly not a majority. To date there have been 44 out of 44 US Presidents that have foreign heritage - so really not all other countries are remotely like the US - sure much of the Western Hemisphere, but even in South America it is more common to have mixed with the indigenous population than to be purely European (Nazi's in Argentina excluded).
Secondly a Natural Born Citizen is one that is born a US citizen. If two US citizens pop out a baby while enjoying the sights in Toronto - their child would be born with US Citizenship. Their child would not have been naturalized - so they would probably pass muster. McCain was born in Panama for example and it was never challenged.
So as a defender of my Constitution I passionately disagree. |
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duh
"catpurrs"
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Posted - 06/17/2009 : 16:53:40
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Originally posted by turrell
McCain was born in Panama for example and it was never challenged.
Didn't Congress conduct an investigation of McCain's eligibility?
Whereas all attempts to confirm Obama's eligibility have so far been thwarted. |
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